Sale of petrol and diesel cars to be banned by 2040

Joe T said:
How are solar and wind a 'waste of time'?
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What's the point in solar farms in a country where it's cloudy and raining most of the year, with short days in winter when you need electricity the most? Wind power isn't very efficient. It also use up a lot of land which should be used for growing crops.

Tidal power is there all day every day and generates a lot more power.
 
Nasher said:
What's the point in solar farms in a country where it's cloudy and raining most of the year, with short days in winter when you need electricity the most? Wind power isn't very efficient.
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Rubbish. They are still able to contribute significantly to overall power generation (20%+ already).
 
Wake up, reality check.
Renewables only go that far. Once all sweet spots for renewable installation are utilized, it will still not be enough to provide baseline power.

Solution is getting people off the roads. Replace ICE cars not by electric cars but by rail cars. And other public transport.
 
bloodiedathame said:
Battery powered cars are not the future unless there is a contingency plan for what is done with the batteries afterwards (are they recycled or do they just go to landfill).
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Its already the future, and yes they can either be recycled back into the raw ingredients or the cells can be used in grid storage.

Construction is underway for an on-site recycling facility that will safely reprocess all types of Tesla battery cells, modules, and packs, into various metal products for reuse in new cells.”
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alec said:
Wake up, reality check.
Renewables only go that far. Once all sweet spots for renewable installation are utilized, it will still not be enough to provide baseline power.

Solution is getting people off the roads. Replace ICE cars not by electric cars but by rail cars. And other public transport.
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And that is when people lose their freedom.
 
I can quite easily see myself in an electric car when(if?) the price of the sportier versions come down.

Leaf, i3 no thanks, Tesla X yes please.
 
The average petrol station is a 5MW power plant, thats a lot of energy to replace with power stations.
 
The measures are "good" in the long term but "not very effective" in the short, industry expert David Bailey said.

A switch-over to electric cars would likely come in the mid-2020s, he predicted, when electric cars would out-compete petrol and diesel ones on factors like cost.

"This sets a very clear direction of travel, but petrol and diesel cars won't exist by 2040," he said.
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Electric cars out-competing petrol AND diesel on cost within 10 years? Hmm.. Not too sure on that one.
 
Rossi~ said:
Electric cars out-competing petrol AND diesel on cost within 10 years? Hmm.. Not too sure on that one.
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Why not? Its what essentially everyone is predicting. Batteries are the biggest cost and they are falling faster than predicted and are expected to make EVs cost parity with ice by 2025.
 
chroniclard said:
I can quite easily see myself in an electric car when(if?) the price of the sportier versions come down.

Leaf, i3 no thanks, Tesla X yes please.
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This is the main issue for me as well, none of them are actually that appealing. There needs to be more like the Tesla Roadster (which they stopped making). But sensibly priced.
 
Glaucus said:
Why not? Its what essentially everyone is predicting. Batteries are the biggest cost and they are falling faster than predicted and are expected to make EVs cost parity with ice by 2025.
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I hope so, i just can't imagine replacing batteries and maintenance being all that cheap down the line, are they taking into consideration used cars? Have we got examples of 5 year old modern electric cars and running/maintenance costs?
 
Nasher said:
This is the main issue for me as well, none of them are actually that appealing. There needs to be more like the Tesla Roadster (which they stopped making).
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However they are making a new one, no release date yet, however if you get 50 referrals you get one for free.
 
Rossi~ said:
I hope so, i just can't imagine replacing batteries and maintenance being all that cheap down the line, are they taking into consideration used cars? Have we got examples of 5 year old modern electric cars and running/maintenance costs?
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Batteries won't need replacing. Teslas stats are showing batteries should be good for over 200k and they are improving cell technology, there researches earlier this year doubled cell life, when this will make it into production we don't know.
Maintance is cheaper. There's less to go wrong and due to regen braking, you even need less brake pads. However if you get a high powered Tesla do expect to chew through rear tyres. Or just don't use the insane performance.
 
paradigm said:
It still boggles the mind that the powers that be assume electric cars are cleaner. Sure, they are cleaner at the point of application, but total ecological cost, from conception, through build, into maintenance, even ignoring the fact that most of our electricity comes from fossil fuels...

We're not ready, not by a long shot.
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That's the main point at the moment, localised air pollution in cities is a big problem

So overall "green" credentials might not be as robust as they claim but for cities they are a no brainer
 
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