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Reviews will be out soon but big vega should be around gtx1080 and not in between.
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Reviews will be out soon but big vega should be around gtx1080 and not in between.
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I can see the liquid version beating the 1080 in almost all gaming benchmarks.
The hardware is just a 10bit processing chip that supports the "software layer".
You could perhaps call it a HDR acceleration chip at best.
Think back to when nintendo added lockout chips in the EU NES I think they were called 10NES or something. The chips simply served as a means to enable games to work to block unlicensed games, the HDR chip on tv's is mostly similar in that it prevents people who havent paid the premium to use HDR on their non HDR tv.
Its funny that someone has edited the wikipedia HDR page to remove older uses of the technology. Rewriting history.
A lot of games fake up HDR using tone mapping type techniques using compression and exaggeration of the dynamic range this isn't comparable to HDR with a full source range to work from - very few games process it in such a way it would properly display on a 8-10 bit display that has the actual contrast range required without loss of precision in some parts of the range.
I think you're missing the actual point in the HDR we're talking about. For all intents and purposes, we're talking about maximising contrast. Which is where fall array local dimming comes into things to enable proper HDR. I feel like you're misunderstanding something, as that isn't something you can achieve with just software. The hardware has to be able to physically produce the extended range from dark to bright that comes with the HDR spec.The hardware is just a 10bit processing chip that supports the "software layer".
You could perhaps call it a HDR acceleration chip at best.
Think back to when nintendo added lockout chips in the EU NES I think they were called 10NES or something. The chips simply served as a means to enable games to work to block unlicensed games, the HDR chip on tv's is mostly similar in that it prevents people who havent paid the premium to use HDR on their non HDR tv.
Its funny that someone has edited the wikipedia HDR page to remove older uses of the technology. Rewriting history.
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The hardware is just a 10bit processing chip that supports the "software layer".
You could perhaps call it a HDR acceleration chip at best.
Think back to when nintendo added lockout chips in the EU NES I think they were called 10NES or something. The chips simply served as a means to enable games to work to block unlicensed games, the HDR chip on tv's is mostly similar in that it prevents people who havent paid the premium to use HDR on their non HDR tv.
Its funny that someone has edited the wikipedia HDR page to remove older uses of the technology. Rewriting history.
So what you saying is if a TV standard 4K or None 4K? has 10bit it has the capability to show HDR content?
My old 1080p Philips TV supports 4 Colour processing trillion colours (14-bit RGB and that cant use HDR from the PS4 Pro
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The hardware is just a 10bit processing chip that supports the "software layer".
You could perhaps call it a HDR acceleration chip at best.
Think back to when nintendo added lockout chips in the EU NES I think they were called 10NES or something. The chips simply served as a means to enable games to work to block unlicensed games, the HDR chip on tv's is mostly similar in that it prevents people who havent paid the premium to use HDR on their non HDR tv.
Its funny that someone has edited the wikipedia HDR page to remove older uses of the technology. Rewriting history.
Where are you getting your 'version' of how modern HDR works, not off that Alex Jones chap is it?now you think HDR is akin to a new form of DRM....what next?
I await the next thrilling instalment!
Love to hear your insights on multi channel audio formats.
Go back a bit more and you have the top tier end gpus at £400~. GTX 580 launched at £400, if it was today it would be called the Titan F and be priced at £1200. Many people forget the shuffling of the range nvidia has done since they introduced the Titan and x80 Ti cards, x70 is no longer the second tier card but the fourth mid range card.
No.
According to AMD slides the liguid is only 20% faster at 2560X1440 than the FuryX 1050/500 (DX12 BF1 a good AMD game) on 7700K @ 4.2Ghz. (so boosting 4.5)
Overclocked 1080 is around 40% faster at the same resolution over an overclocked FuryX @ 1100/550 at DX11. Do the math.
That comparison is as clear as mud.
Yeah there might be something in it but it's so bad.
Not stock vs stock, nothing is kept the same, not even the same DX....
Yeah there might be something in it but it's so bad.
Not stock vs stock, nothing is kept the same, not even the same DX....
Very unclear cherry picked AMD benchmarks have been provided and no they don't show that.
Like everything else in this launch it has been smoke and mirrors to cover up performance. I realise your still hopeful but this isn't how you market or launch a winning product.
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The btc block size increase (Segwit2x) if transitioned smoothly will see the value of other virtual currencies drop significantly - as most people will start moving their holdings in other virtual currencies to btc... especially those who had hedged in the run-up to the transition..
there can be a big drop in non-eth and eth itself wont be much immune to a successful btc transition [i.e. the one without hard-fork]
i dont know how segwit2x is going to impact AML requirements (thats too technical - will have to look at source code and current methods of information gathering, which basically follows the SAS fraud analytics suite but is available for free) - if the transition fundamentally violates AML then all virtual currencies can be expected to drop.
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Nice to be able to post something without risking my gonads, Lol.
Hi,
Any chance of AMD crashing the launch to 7th August?
Thanks.
Crashing? Yep
Nope the software on PS4 has to transmit it. The panels on the TV's have to be designed to output it. There is a difference. You cannot do a software update to a TV for HDR output like you can for the item transmitting the data unless your panel happened have already supported 10-bit 1000NIT image levels but they were just not used (of which I am not aware of any doing so).
Yes games are desiged for 6bit, 8bit still doesn't make them HDR. HDR is a standard created for 10bit and technically only 10bit is HDR.
Now you can say that the 8bit has a greater dynamic range but that technically still isn't HDR.
Anyways going back to Vega. Watching the YouTube clips and people seem super hyped from games companies to use it but we are not seeing performance. Is this something again where we will see DX12 games in two years suddenly gain another 20% performance? Is AMD too far ahead of the curve again?
And also people were saying HBCC was not for gaming and that it would need direct input but all the videos from AMD are suggesting that it is literally a background task that sorts itself out?
Indeed, and when you factor in the GTX770 was a rebranded GTX680 it made the price of the GTX970 look even better.
Just when things could not get any worse for the Vega launch.....
https://www.techpowerup.com/235701/...l-features-for-titan-xp-through-driver-update
The fastest gaming card available just got better !!!!
Shame I have not got any professional work for mine to do.
https://www.techpowerup.com/235701/...l-features-for-titan-xp-through-driver-update
The fastest gaming card available just got better !!!!
Shame I have not got any professional work for mine to do.
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