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Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

On or off the hype train?

  • (off) Train has derailed

    Votes: 207 39.2%

  • (on) Overcrowding, standing room only

    Votes: 100 18.9%

  • (never ever got on) Chinese escalator

    Votes: 221 41.9%
  • Total voters
    528
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WeSbO said:
I don't believe the "consumer not knowing what they're doing" is a valid excuse anymore for Nvidia's market share advantage. Probably was true 4/5 years ago but not now, everyone goes on internet before buying anything, people will look at cat/dog food reviews before purchasing the food (ok probably an exaggeration but wouldn't surprise me one bit).
Consumers make informed purchases now, they do research on the products they want to buy (of course while they are at work not working lol) and the more a product costs the more research they will do.
We don't give consumers enough credit, they are like everyone they know where to get info if they want it. The "uneducated" buyers don't buy really dGPU they buy supermarket PCs and aren't bothered about games.
Of course most of the people, who do buy dGPUs probably don't know as much as the people on this forum, because we are more passionate, but they sure as hell read what the knowledgeable people say.
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I agree. But my conclusion is different.
Most people are not us. I've seen it 100 times.

Person A "What grafix card shud i buy??"
Person B "Buy a Nvidia 1"
Person A: "Why not AMD?"
Person B: "Becos AMD is ****, Nvidia is good"
 
AMD strength is also their weakness. Developing both CPU's and GPU means they have a unified vision but also that they have to split RnD budgets.

Quite a disadvantage when your competitors specialize in one thing.
 
Nvidia is best is unfortunately hard to argue with. If you ignore any details and just choose blindly, a lot of games do have a performance bias to Nvidia. That goes back at least 10 years. Also they have a better driver reputation, AMD improved a lot but thats where that advice stems from really

When/if I get Vega I will compare just how bad the blower cooler on that is vs my old 4870 blower [xfx] which hasnt been opened in 8 years is. On 100% fan and lowest clocks I swear this thing cant go below 50c, its pretty low base line for Vega generally to improve on for me :o
 
opethdisciple said:
AMD strength is also their weakness. Developing both CPU's and GPU means they have a unified vision but also that they have to split RnD budgets.

Quite a disadvantage when your competitors specialize in one thing.
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I can assure you that AMDs CPU and GPU dept's are quite separate. Yes they will share intel (pardon the pun). But their R&D budgets are quite separate and will be determined on how each sector is performing. When you have a large company you do not bleed one arm to feed the other.
 
beany_bot said:
I agree. But my conclusion is different.
Most people are not us. I've seen it 100 times.

Person A "What grafix card shud i buy??"
Person B "Buy a Nvidia 1"
Person A: "Why not AMD?"
Person B: "Becos AMD is ****, Nvidia is good"
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That was true 4/5 years ago, but actually I hardly ever see that anymore, what I do see people asking for advice and getting multiple responses all with different argumentation which are all valid for the most part.
It's not because one dude doesn't make the same choice as oneself that he has made the wrong choice. Nvidia is just as valid of a choice as AMD, and vice versa of course, it's more on a per person basis, depending on how often you want to upgrade, what games you play, what budget etc etc.

"Most people are not us."

Yes that's what I said, but most people will turn to us for an informed decision, and that is why the argument for "people not knowing what they are doing", attributing Nvidia's advantage to uninformed people, is simply not true anymore, that "excuse" doesn't work anymore. With the explosion of internet, people DO know what they are doing and do know where to get the info, and they learn more and more, the more they search.
 
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opethdisciple said:
AMD strength is also their weakness. Developing both CPU's and GPU means they have a unified vision but also that they have to split RnD budgets.

Quite a disadvantage when your competitors specialize in one thing.
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They don't tho.

Graphics (esp gaming) is a small part of what nV do now. They are in HPC, they are in self-driving cars, VR, etc, mobile, etc, etc.

Making GPUs isn't such a narrow endeavour is it might have been years ago.

On the graphics side, AMD don't have their finger in as many pies as nV do, no? From what I gather. You might say that some of what AMD and nV do is similar/overlapping, but both companies are involved certain things that the other isn't.
 
beany_bot said:
When you have a large company you do not bleed one arm to feed the other.
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Thats presuming there is no synergy between GPU and CPU. We are going to have Vega on a CPU and they will gain sales through this, AMD will benefit from having ATi


I'm with Raja on this. Gamers have created a super computer industry to rival CPU, we see them separate but the processing power available is epic :p
 
WeSbO said:
That was true 4/5 years ago, but actually I hardly ever see that anymore, what I do see people asking for advice and getting multiple responses all with different argumentation which are all valid for the most part.
It's not because one dude doesn't make the same choice as oneself that he has made the wrong choice. Nvidia is just as valid of a choice as AMD, and vice versa of course, it's more on a per person basis, depending on how often you want to upgrade, what games you play, what budget etc etc.
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What I often hear is that the game is optimized for Nvidia because of Gameworks (Camelot Unchained) or Witcher3 (Hairworks) and people who were waiting for it would buy Nvidia of course, no matter what happens in the next two years. I didn't start playing Witcher3 yet, because I wait for an AMD card that can blow away the code disadvantage :D

But I also believe Nvidia will deliver with their hands on the code of the games. Similar to the Battlefield titles and AMD.
 
Bottom line, it's a 1070 killer because it's not a 1080 killer. It's also lackluster in terms of power consumption. The price simply needs to reflect these things, as per the norm.
 
Silent_Scone said:
Bottom line, it's a 1070 killer because it's not a 1080 killer. It's also lackluster in terms of power consumption. The price simply needs to reflect these things, as per the norm.
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The smaller card Vega 56 that is?

We don't know about the Vega 64.
 
So far I've been perfectly happy with the price and the performace.

But man.... Dat Power consumption. Not good. Pretty much flying in the face of all other evolving tech. Would the power consumption itself bother me? Probably not. But the associated heat is a concern.
 
disi said:
What I often hear is that the game is optimized for Nvidia because of Gameworks (Camelot Unchained) or Witcher3 (Hairworks) and people who were waiting for it would buy Nvidia of course, no matter what happens in the next two years. I didn't start playing Witcher3 yet, because I wait for an AMD card that can blow away the code disadvantage :D

But I also believe Nvidia will deliver with their hands on the code of the games. Similar to the Battlefield titles and AMD.
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Yep and AMD people will use the Fine Wine argument, but in reality that Fine Wine didn't serve myself very well when it came to the Fury X (there's only so much Juice you can squeeze out of GCN), even with the fine wine the 980ti is way in front at a similar price :/ . But don't get me wrong I'm not displeased by my FX, coz I came from a 970 for this upgrade, for the simple reason that I had disposable income at that time, and I changed GPU because at that time the windows10 Nvidia drivers were crap lol, and it ****** me off so I said **** this. lol
 
Silent_Scone said:
Bottom line, it's a 1070 killer because it's not a 1080 killer. It's also lackluster in terms of power consumption. The price simply needs to reflect these things, as per the norm.
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Maybe the other card is a 1080 equal but it looks better to have a killer of some description.
 
WeSbO said:
I don't believe the "consumer not knowing what they're doing" is a valid excuse anymore for Nvidia's market share advantage.
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You would be surprised, due to the dumbing down of both software and hardware over the years there are many many hardcore gamers who have zero idea what spec their system is, all they know is stuff like "Intel/Nvidia = A brand, AMD/ATi = B brand, my PC > Xbox" and that's what they base their decisions on. Last month a mate of mine sent me a picture of a used Gigabyte G1 GTX1080 he had seen in the CEX window asking if he should buy it (for more than OCUK were selling it new) because "it's longer than my one and it's Nvidia", this guy is indicative of the average PC gamer in 2017.

All that money spent on those Unreal splash screens actually worked lol.
 
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