Luton airport and car vandals

Common thing near airports/stations sadly.

My wifes car was keyed all over when she parked in a residential road near to the train station. Public road, car all legal etc but Police didn't want to know, said she shouldn't have parked there as it annoys the residents and gave her a reference number if we wanted to claim on insurance and that was that.
 
adolf hamster said:
however over time those little annoyances build up, for example if i tapped you lightly on the shoulder once, you'd think nothing of it. if i did it every 30 minutes constantly then i wonder how long before you'd hit me?
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I personally wouldn't, I'd remove myself from that situation instead. That's a bit trickier to do with house though!

That said, do we know the people parking there were repeat offenders? Otherwise it's more like 10 different people tapping me on the shoulder once each, and me hitting the 10th one. In either case though, the response isn't proportionate.
 
TheVoice said:
I personally wouldn't, I'd remove myself from that situation instead. That's a bit trickier to do with house though!
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nail on the head! it's by no means a perfect analogy, it's just trying to demonstrate that this is provoked.

and yes you're right it's likely not the same people repeatedly (there may be a few repeat offenders- businessmen and suchlike) but of course the annoyance is the same. and whilst the response isn't proportionate (especially if the poor bugger who's car got trashed was a first timer), it certainly is effective.
 
mw8t said:
If you had bothered to read my first post you will realise i qualified my stance with 'if official routes have been explored and ignored'
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But they haven't, in this case:

"Luton Council said it was consulting with residents about introducing parking permits in the areas affected."
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And even if they had, that doesn't excuse vigilante criminal damage against people just for inconveniencing you.

Yes, it would be courteous for those drivers not to park for long periods of time on residential roads, but if there's no legal restrictions, and they aren't blocking driveways, etc, then how do you define discourtesy? Do you seriously think it warrants such a response?

I park on a residential road whilst I go to work, either all day, or for at least half of the day. I always make sure I'm not covering or impeding access to any driveways, I don't park on the pavement, and I try to park in a way which means that I'm not taking up more room than necessary (ie, if there's enough room for 2 cars to park comfortably between two driveways, I ensure I am not parked slap bang in the middle of that space). But I am sure that some residents might still consider the presence of my car an inconvenience, purely because it is outside their house...would that justify them vandalising my car?
 
Conscript said:
I park on a residential road whilst I go to work, either all day, or for at least half of the day. I always make sure I'm not covering or impeding access to any driveways, I don't park on the pavement, and I try to park in a way which means that I'm not taking up more room than necessary (ie, if there's enough room for 2 cars to park comfortably between two driveways, I ensure I am not parked slap bang in the middle of that space). But I am sure that some residents might still consider the presence of my car an inconvenience, purely because it is outside their house...would that justify them vandalising my car?
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same here.. :) I had an issue with one guy telling me to not park on this road because "people don't usually park here" but there were no restrictions etc so I just left my car there as it wasn't blocking anything and was in no ones way. Guess what he did the next day? parked his car in the single spot and left it there with his driveway that can probably fit 3 cars all empty.

problem is, some people simply feel like they own the road.
 
Conscript said:
But they haven't, in this case:



And even if they had, that doesn't excuse vigilante criminal damage against people just for inconveniencing you.

Yes, it would be courteous for those drivers not to park for long periods of time on residential roads, but if there's no legal restrictions, and they aren't blocking driveways, etc, then how do you define discourtesy? Do you seriously think it warrants such a response?

I park on a residential road whilst I go to work, either all day, or for at least half of the day. I always make sure I'm not covering or impeding access to any driveways, I don't park on the pavement, and I try to park in a way which means that I'm not taking up more room than necessary (ie, if there's enough room for 2 cars to park comfortably between two driveways, I ensure I am not parked slap bang in the middle of that space). But I am sure that some residents might still consider the presence of my car an inconvenience, purely because it is outside their house...would that justify them vandalising my car?
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Yes. And what's more I sincerely hope residents in 'your personal parking street' see this article and it inspires them to run a nice sharp key down the length of your car.

:)
 
mw8t said:
Yes. And what's more I sincerely hope residents in 'your personal parking street' see this article and it inspires them to run a nice sharp key down the length of your car.

:)
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Condoning a criminal act because of an illusion of inconvenience?

Does anyone else catch a whiff of self-entitlement?


Oh, and let's put this into context. When I was living at home we had 2 cars and a driveway that could only take one. Regularly there was random cars parked directly outside the house which meant one car ended up down the road.

Guess how I dealt with it?

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That's right, I smashe... oh wait, no... I got on with my life because residents don't have the right to police legal parking on a public highway. Oh, and you'd have to be an idiot to think anyone has the right to vandalise property because they find it an inconvenience.
 
I think you're wasting your time. Even if he hadn't just been banned (not sure why, condoning criminal activity I guess?), he is evidently just a troll or a moron. Either way, further debate would be pointless.
 
Agreed, it just staggers me that anyone can try and justify criminal activity for such a petty reason.

Ah well, as said above it's the residents who will end up paying the price through hiked up insurance rates. A shame that a lot of them will have had nothing to do with this yet still pay the price for the ignorance of the few.
 
If it were outside my house I would borrow my mum's car and park it in front, and get my neighbour to put there's behind. Neither mine often and could really be left for a month or more. Be a true taste of the own medicine. You wouldn't have to move them either.
 
robj20 said:
If it were outside my house I would borrow my mum's car and park it in front, and get my neighbour to put there's behind. Neither mine often and could really be left for a month or more. Be a true taste of the own medicine. You wouldn't have to move them either.
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I agree with this style of approach assuming it's a regular occurrence with the same vehicle, or they've blocked access to your property. Otherwise it may just be someone who's parked up for a day or two unaware of the issue caused by "regulars".

The whole situation screams out for resident permits though. My parents used to have a house near Old Trafford, and it would no doubt be the same there if it wasn't residents only parking on all match days.
 
Invertigo said:
Condoning a criminal act because of an illusion of inconvenience?

Does anyone else catch a whiff of self-entitlement?


Oh, and let's put this into context. When I was living at home we had 2 cars and a driveway that could only take one. Regularly there was random cars parked directly outside the house which meant one car ended up down the road.

Guess how I dealt with it?

Go on....



That's right, I smashe... oh wait, no... I got on with my life because residents don't have the right to police legal parking on a public highway. Oh, and you'd have to be an idiot to think anyone has the right to vandalise property because they find it an inconvenience.
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Self entitlement is parking where you want with no consideration for others.

'The law says i can'

Arsed. You live in a society. You act the way you want with no thought for anyone else be prepared for those you **** off to bite you back.
 
Except I clearly explained I did park with consideration for others. That's the whole point.
You just have this weird opinion that parking outside someone's house is inherently inconsiderate, and claiming vandalism is a justifiable response while going on about society is extremely hypocritical.
 
Given that earlier you quoted my post where I specifically explained that I ensure I am parked considerately, insinuated that I treated it as my "own personal parking street", and then said you hoped someone vandalised my car as a result, yes, I'm taking your comments about being self entitled as aimed at me.
 
I'm at a loss as to how a car being parked considerately outside your house, blocking nothing and allowing full access to the driveway and footpath could ever be considered a target for criminal damage. I genuinely cannot fathom how or why you would have that opinion.

I'm not going to argue semantics, because frankly I see no point.
 
Conscript said:
Given that earlier you quoted my post where I specifically explained that I ensure I am parked considerately, insinuated that I treated it as my "own personal parking street", and then said you hoped someone vandalised my car as a result, yes, I'm taking your comments about being self entitled as aimed at me.
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Ah yes you're right. My mistake. Yes it is aimed at you.
 
ubersonic said:
I am by no means a good person but I wouldn't dream of inconveniencing people by dumping my car outside their house for 2-3 weeks while I went on holiday just because there was no law against it.
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Indeed,

Just because there isn't a specific law against being a selfish inconsiderate jerk, doesn't mean that you aren't being a selfish inconsiderate jerk when you behave in a selfish inconsiderate jerkish manner.
 
Aren't there bylaws for non-residents or visitors parking over night in residential areas anyway? Not that councils ever seem to enforce any of them.
 
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