Summer Transfer Window 2017/18 - Rumours & Signings

killem said:
New Long term contracts are offered if the Market value of said player rises due to performance or the players current contract is close to expiring as the club does not want that player to move on for no fee. This works only if the player honours the contract. But when a player goes on strike or says his head is not right and is not fit to play makes said contracts a joke.
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Yes, I know why clubs offer the contract - they want to increase/maintain the value of their asset. My point is that they do not have to make such an offer. They are fully aware of the risks of doing so (for instance, that a player may get injured, refuse to play, whatever). They choose to offer a long-term contract in full knowledge of the risk of doing so, so hold at least a significant part of the blame.

Also, and as you point out, by holding a player on a long-term contract, the club has artificially increased the player's value. If a player with a 5 year contract is sold, he is likely to go for more money than the same player on a 1 year contract. The club is almost invariably compensated for their loss of the extra years of service.
 
BaZ87 said:
What's Coutinho reported to have said?

edit: or are you just referring to the transfer request?
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No he's said Liverpool never let people amicably, Brazilians can never say no to Barca, agent has agreed personal terms. Basically everything people in here said he wouldn't do:p

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...-philippe-coutinhos-emailed-transfer-request/

There is more on but I can't be arsed to find it, probably be on SS from that Spanish guy they have reporting on La Liga
 
Jimbeam3678 said:
No he's said Liverpool never let people amicably, Brazilians can never say no to Barca, agent has agreed personal terms. Basically everything people in here said he wouldn't do:p
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That quote is from an unnamed Coutinho relative (aka his agent) I thought? And has anybody said Coutinho wouldn't want to join Barca? I honestly can't recall anybody saying that. I've said all along that I'm sure he does want to join them and I believe I was arguing with a non Liverpool supporter that didn't believe Barca had agreed personal terms (I said they probably had) but that Liverpool won't just back down and sell him just because he wants to.

I'm slightly surprised a formal transfer request has gone in but as I said earlier in the day, ultimately that's no different from him privately telling the club he wants to join Barca (which I never disputed he had done). Will he go as far as Suarez when he wanted to join Arsenal, where he gave interviews with all the major rags, claiming the club lied to him and betrayed him and be forced to train by himself? I hope not and don't think he'd go that far. Ultimately I don't think it will make a great deal of difference to Liverpool unless Barca come in with major money which the talk coming out of Spain is they won't do.
 
So Coutinho is seemingly desperate to go and is making waves (albeit not too badly at the moment).

Liverpool have issued an official statement saying he won't be sold for any price.

Barca won't offer much over £100m I suspect.

What happens now? Turning down £100m~ and having an unhappy, potentially sulking player is a risky move (but you'd hope he remains professional). I think if Liverpool got VVD and a very good attacker it would be a worthy trade off for them, just.
 
BaZ87 said:
ultimately that's no different from him privately telling the club he wants to join Barca (which I never disputed he had done).
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i thought you did. i'm sure someone with more time on their hands could search the thread and find where you pretty much did say that
 
Moses said:
Is he really going to be unprofessional in a World Cup year? He needs to have a good season to play a big part for Brazil and to keep Barca/PSG interested, imo.
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just what? how is he being unprofessional by reacting to interest from a bigger club? is it only unprofessional when clubs like liverpool are on the recieving end of something that 'every club does'

a liverpool fan in here also said he 'wasn't missed that much' when he was out injured.

he'll fair far better in terms of impressing at a world cup at barca than he would liverpool

the about turn is almost complete
 
cm1179 said:
i thought you did. i'm sure someone with more time on their hands could search the thread and find where you pretty much did say that
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Find where I said Coutinho didn't or wouldn't want to join Barca and I'll quit the forum however if you can't by midnight I'll permaban you. Deal?
 
I've asked if you wanted to take the deal as you were sure I've said that Coutinho wouldn't want to join Barca. I know I haven't which is why I've made you the offer.
Robbo said:
What happens now? Turning down £100m~ and having an unhappy, potentially sulking player is a risky move (but you'd hope he remains professional). I think if Liverpool got VVD and a very good attacker it would be a worthy trade off for them, just.
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How many times has any player ever just sulked and down tools when they haven't got the move they wanted? Ronaldo didn't when Utd didn't allow him to join Real the first year they came in for him, Mascherano didn't when Liverpool blocked his move to Barca when they first came in, Modric didn't when Spurs blocked his move to Chelsea and most recently Suarez didn't when he was denied a move to Arsenal.

Very very rarely does it happen and with a World Cup coming it's almost certain that it won't happen here. Even his agitating now, it's half arsed. There's been no statement from himself there's just been a couple of quotes from a relative which are so obviously not true (re his relationship with Klopp) that you can't take them seriously.
 
blimey. this really is getting to you. threatening to perma me for having an opinion on a forum.

i'm pointing out the obvious turn in attitude and events on the coutinho situation, one which i and everyone else who isn't blinkered could see happening.

ok, maybe you didn't specifically say he wouldn't join barca but you also didn't think he'd hand in a transfer request an 'agitated move'

i feel your pain at going through the motions of (more than likely) losing your best player but i haven't been offensive
 
It's not getting to me at all. I just know you like making deals with your forum life, even if you never pay up when you lose. As I knew I couldn't lose I wondered whether you wanted to make another deal.

The only thing I've said was that I didn't think Coutinho would kick up a fuss. As yet he's not really kicked up much of a fuss, relatively speaking but yes, I was surprised he handed a transfer request in. I still maintain that I can't see us selling him unless Barca come up with a huge offer though. You and others have said for certain he will go and some people (possibly you) had said the amount Barca last offered would have been enough to force us to sell.

It seems you're enjoying the Coutinho saga because, as Liverpool are a far bigger side than Spurs :)p), nobody is talking about the fact Spurs haven't signed anybody and half their side wants to leave.
 
BaZ87 said:
The only thing I've said was that I didn't think Coutinho would kick up a fuss. As yet he's not really kicked up much of a fuss,

It seems you're enjoying the Coutinho saga because, as Liverpool are a far bigger side than Spurs :)p), nobody is talking about the fact Spurs haven't signed anybody and half their side wants to leave.
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Couple of points there Baz, Coutinho has kicked up a fuzz and you said he wouldn't. Which I think most people knew would happen if he didn't get sold. When Barca/Madrid come knocking you ultimately go there, De Gea being the only exception I can think of.

Spurs; Half the side wants to leave ? Really? Which 5 players are these then ?
 
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