Sarah Champion resigns after saying UK has problem with British Pakistani men raping white girls

No. The recent report shows the UK has a problem with predominantly Muslim men with a terrible attitude to woman of a certain ethnic background. (And that in general....)


Could you IMAGINE the reaction if it came out white blokes were systematically raping Pakistani girls because of their gender/religion and supported by a community?

We would be having a civil war right now..
No stop convoluting the whole issue, the UK has a problem with men of all backgrounds raping women/girls.

Yes there are Asian men that rape women, just like there are white/black men who do the same.

The issue we have to tackle or the authorities have to tackle is how to stop these attacks from happening.

I don't care if a rapist is black, white, brown or yellow even. If they are caught raping a woman then they should be locked up or castrated even.
 
I was amazed it's taken this long. The day of the Newcastle verdicts she was amazingly brave and blunt about the problem as she saw it. I applauded her integrity in saying it on live radio.
 
It's kind of her own fault for believing it's possible to write about a tricky subject in the Sun, and then not having a way of approving it before the editors get involved. Or she lied about it not being her words.
 
It's kind of her own fault for believing it's possible to write about a tricky subject in the Sun, and then not having a way of approving it before the editors get involved. Or she lied about it not being her words.
Most likely is loss of nerve due to it being in the Sun and alongside idiot columns and miscommunication between her and her team, who appear to have approved it.
 
No stop convoluting the whole issue, the UK has a problem with men of all backgrounds raping women/girls.

Yes there are Asian men that rape women, just like there are white/black men who do the same.

The issue we have to tackle or the authorities have to tackle is how to stop these attacks from happening.

I don't care if a rapist is black, white, brown or yellow even. If they are caught raping a woman then they should be locked up or castrated even.

You don't see it as an issue that there are gangs of Asian Men targeting specifically white girls and raping them? Clearly there's a cultural issue here. Ignoring these sorts of things is what causes people to go out and vote for people like the EDL and BNP by the way, coming from a predominantly white working class area I can 100% attest to this.
 
She shouldn't have resigned as what she said, as quoted, is correct in that there is a problem.

Pakistani Muslims does not equal all Muslims. A lot of the culture from the Indian subcontinent generally has a poor attitude towards women, as can be seen and evidenced by their treatment regardless of religious background.

As I said a while back, most of the media attention has been focused on race and religion which has been used by certain individuals and groups to advance their own agendas.

The rapists were animals, and as far as I'm concerned should have been given the death penalty if it were still in use today. But this obviously shows a problem in society overall, whether it's the availability of cheap alcohol, the incompetence of social/care workers and the disregard by the police of the victims.

The whole thing has turned into a race issue (which obviously played a major role in how the council dealt with it) but let's be honest here - if it wasn't this Asian gang, then it may well have been others taking the opportunity to a) have sex and b) make money.

No. The recent report shows the UK has a problem with predominantly Muslim men with a terrible attitude to woman of a certain ethnic background. (And that in general...)

No, actually lots of white guys rape white women. In fact, black guys rape white women, white guys rape black women, brown guys rape brown women and so on. And sometimes guys rape other guys too. But women also rape men!

And it's not Muslim men in the general sense, but Pakistani Muslim men from a specific community.

By the way, there seems to have been a lot of sexual abuse carried out by white British men against boys/girls in care homes, children's services groups, etc. I wonder what the response would be if a politician said that the UK had a problem with white men rapng/abusing white children in their care...?

Rapists gonna rape, abusers gonna abuse. Let's not generalise, or worse, blame the victims. Let's get sensible about we tackle sexual violence and abuse together.
 
No, actually lots of white guys rape white women. In fact, black guys rape white women, white guys rape black women, brown guys rape brown women and so on. And sometimes guys rape other guys too. But women also rape men!
Women don't rape men, at least not in this country. They can't, legally anyway. Rape is unwanted penetration with a penis, and a woman can't do that.

/pedant
 
Women don't rape men, at least not in this country. They can't, legally anyway. Rape is unwanted penetration with a penis, and a woman can't do that.

/pedant

Yes yes Mr policeman you're right but the impact of being penetrated by a cucumber would probably be just as bad. The legal definition doesn't quite capture the experience.
 
I am beginning to despair of many of the people I share this island with. Political correctness will become the ruination of this country if it continues at it's current pace.
 
Yes yes Mr policeman you're right but the impact of being penetrated by a cucumber would probably be just as bad. The legal definition doesn't quite capture the experience.
Ah, that's sexual assault by penetration, which is a different offence entirely. Although... the maximum penalties for each are the same.
 
I think we need to tackle whatever practises exist within police forces that would lead officers to believe that they shouldn't investigate things for fear of the accusation of racism - whether that's misguided advice from senior staff, a poor interpretation from people advising them, or not a clear enough message that the police force will always have the backs of officers who provide fact-based reports that mention the race, nationality or origin of suspects (then actually have their backs rather than chucking them under a bus) I don't know. It's got to lead to better results than just treating people who happen to have roots in a specific country as a homogeneous bloc and assume if you just shout at them enough in the tabloids that they will figure out what people loosely linked to them are up to and report it.

Maybe some extra resources for social services and a way of these agencies working together wouldn't go amiss. As well as figuring out why South Yorks Police seem to be so rotten.
 
Ah, that's sexual assault by penetration, which is a different offence entirely. Although... the maximum penalties for each are the same.

Yes.

On a side note, I only briefly worked with victims of sexual violence and supporting charities/organisations and was surprised at the lack of reporting on sexual abuse of men by women (inc. domestic violence).

Edit - wrote a number of paragraphs, only 'women rape men' gets noted.
 
Yes.

On a side note, I only briefly worked with victims of sexual violence and supporting charities/organisations and was surprised at the lack of reporting on sexual abuse of men by women (inc. domestic violence).

It's not that hard to believe that some men wouldn't want to admit to being abused by their partner.
 
I think we need to tackle whatever practises exist within police forces that would lead officers to believe that they shouldn't investigate things for fear of the accusation of racism - whether that's misguided advice from senior staff, a poor interpretation from people advising them, or not a clear enough message that the police force will always have the backs of officers who provide fact-based reports that mention the race, nationality or origin of suspects (then actually have their backs rather than chucking them under a bus) I don't know. It's got to lead to better results than just treating people who happen to have roots in a specific country as a homogeneous bloc and assume if you just shout at them enough in the tabloids that they will figure out what people loosely linked to them are up to and report it.
For this specific issue it really isn't just "racism", as I and others mentioned earlier "sensitivity" has had a similar affect for Child abuse from Catholic priests and People caring for children in government institutions.
 
Quite why you'd attempt to say anything serious in the sun is beyond me.

Anyway, according to the BBC the offending line was "These people are predators and the common denominator is their ethnic heritage." That's a bit close to condemning everyone who shares that ethnic heritage, but I'm sure someone will be along shortly to say that's fine or whatever.
 
Yes.

On a side note, I only briefly worked with victims of sexual violence and supporting charities/organisations and was surprised at the lack of reporting on sexual abuse of men by women (inc. domestic violence).

Edit - wrote a number of paragraphs, only 'women rape men' gets noted.
That was the only bit I disagreed with ;)
 
With the exception of some sort of strap on *****, how can a woman rape a man?
Rape isn't always about dragging someone down a dark alley and have your wicked way, nor is it about getting someone back for a kiss and cuddle only to hear the word NO and carry on anyway.

A person can be coerced into a sexual encounter against their will.
 
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