Barcelona Incident

[StriderX]

Could you demonstrate the direct link between The Mail etc. writing 'racist drivel' and the rate of terrorist attacks.

Of course not, but one should take an educated guess and imagine a scenario where 90% of the media in a country write at least an article per day on how bad Muslims are is going to annoy someone, then realise that we live in said country.

This translates to readers opinions and their interactions with others, communities start self-segregating as they have (though that's rather natural i'd imagine), and the idea that said "areas" are **** holes devoid of good people makes it all the more likely that it'd be a source of a terrorist.

But you know, lets wait a decade for a study to say it?

 

[antijoke]

Is there any possibility **** like this ever stops?

Like is it possible there's ever harmony in the world?

Outlaw religion? Any other extreme measure?

 

[Roar87]

Have I got to the part in the thread where it's Trumps fault yet? Oh sorry, we've just made it to the Daily Mail. We aren't tolerant enough, naturally.

 

[RaohNS]

Maybe it is time to start interring each and every one of these people who are on terror watch lists. We'll have between 3-30,000+, Belgium 40,000+, France 50,000+, Germany X0,000-2m+(given they know nothing about those coming in). If it creates more ill feeling and more come on the watch list, well inter those too.

Instead, I will bet that the folly of the collaborators to these attacks (the politicians) will say the real issue is the far right

Are we seriously not able to say what the issue actually is here? That a religion - which for 1400 years - that spread through conquest and in its own texts states repeatedly the obligations of its followers is to destroy all who oppose it and who criticise it?

Acid Attacks:
Koran verses

Grooming Gangs:
Koran verses

Terror and killing unbelievers:
Koran verses

I could go on about punishments but this is one big elephant. Incredibly, we'll turn our focus to the gnat buzzing in the far corner.

 

[Rroff]

Is there any possibility **** like this ever stops?

Like is it possible there's every harmony in the world?

Outlaw religion? Any other extreme measure?

Only maybe if as a species we are facing a bigger external threat and maybe not even then.

 

[sigma]

Have I got to the part in the thread where it's Trumps fault yet? Oh sorry, we've just made it to the Daily Mail. We aren't tolerant enough, naturally.

You forgot to mention liberals, SJW, snow flakes and virtue signalling.

 

[Vonhelmet]

Only maybe if as a species we are facing a bigger external threat and maybe not even then.

The Watchmen solution.

 

[Vonhelmet]

The point is that he is trying to normalise it.

I don't know about you, but I shouldn't have to worry or be on extra guard about some crazy nutcase who believes in magical fairies from running me over, blowing me up or some other way of harming me in my every day life.

I'm not sure that saying something is normal is the same as trying to normalise it.

 

[sigma]

Sigh. Ok, fine. I've edited my post accordingly, even though it makes it less clear which part of your reply I was referencing.

I'm sure I've been grossly unfair and taken your entire sentence completely out of context, and that the rest of your post will in fact clarify that you didn't mean to insinuate that the media contribute to terrorist attacks.

To put it simply, you're a fool if you think the media has no impact on anything whatsoever.

 

[Danthus]

Maybe it is time to start interring each and every one of these people who are on terror watch lists. We'll have between 3-30,000+, Belgium 40,000+, France 50,000+, Germany X0,000-2m+(given they know nothing about those coming in). If it creates more ill feeling and more come on the watch list, well inter those too.

Instead, I will bet that the folly of the collaborators to these attacks (the politicians) will say the real issue is the far right

Are we seriously not able to say what the issue actually is here? That a religion - which for 1400 years - that spread through conquest and in its own texts states repeatedly the obligations of its followers is to destroy all who oppose it and who criticise it?

Acid Attacks:
Koran verses

Grooming Gangs:
Koran verses

Terror and killing unbelievers:
Koran verses

I could go on about punishments but this is one big elephant. Incredibly, we'll turn our focus to the gnat buzzing in the far corner.

It worked in Northern Ireland, honest.

 

[Schlong&Stable]

Is there any possibility **** like this ever stops?

Like is it possible there's ever harmony in the world?

Outlaw religion? Any other extreme measure?

If you think religion is the issue, you need to take a step back and really get some context about the nature of humanity.

 

[SquirrelMadness]

Sky livestream reduced death toll to 12 from 13, 80 injured.

Attackers are almost always North African. Morocco, Tunisia, Libya etc...

 

[RaohNS]

If you think religion is the issue, you need to take a step back and really get some context about the nature of humanity.

It depends if the religion is specific in its meaning... is concise... is founded (eg is supported by apolitical climate and history) and of course has people willing to do what it says who were inspired by a man who is responsible for the zeal of the worlds biggest slave system and genocide ever. What a great choice of person to revere as the perfect human. No religion should be above criticism, Islam especially.

 

[Vonhelmet]

It depends if the religion is specific in its meaning... is concise... is founded (eg is supported by apolitical climate and history) and of course has people willing to do what it says who were inspired by a man who is responsible for the zeal of the worlds biggest slave system and genocide ever. What a great choice of person to revere as the perfect human. No religion should be above criticism, Islam especially.

Way to miss the point. You could get rid of all religion and all this stuff would still happen.

 

[h4rm0ny]

Maybe it is time to start interring each and every one of these people who are on terror watch lists. We'll have between 3-30,000+, Belgium 40,000+, France 50,000+, Germany X0,000-2m+(given they know nothing about those coming in). If it creates more ill feeling and more come on the watch list, well inter those too.

Instead, I will bet that the folly of the collaborators to these attacks (the politicians) will say the real issue is the far right

Are we seriously not able to say what the issue actually is here? That a religion - which for 1400 years - that spread through conquest and in its own texts states repeatedly the obligations of its followers is to destroy all who oppose it and who criticise it?

Acid Attacks:
Koran verses

Grooming Gangs:
Koran verses

Terror and killing unbelievers:
Koran verses

I could go on about punishments but this is one big elephant. Incredibly, we'll turn our focus to the gnat buzzing in the far corner.

Yes, I feel so safe in giving the government carte blanche to dispense with having to prove guilt. I'm sure they (and all future governments) know best.

 

[do_ron_ron]

It depends if the religion is specific in its meaning... is concise... is founded (eg is supported by apolitical climate and history) and of course has people willing to do what it says who were inspired by a man who is responsible for the zeal of the worlds biggest slave system and genocide ever. What a great choice of person to revere as the perfect human. No religion should be above criticism, Islam especially.

biggest slave system - you mean the white Christains?

Our bible is chock full of such wonderful ideas as stoning to death any woman who gets pregnant out of wedlock etc, etc , etc.

He who casts the first stone.

Stop blaming religion for the actions of a tiny minority. You could use the same arguments with any colour or religion.

 

[Freakbro]

It worked in Northern Ireland, honest.

Precisely, we would all like an easy solution to this, but unfortunately there isn't, nor a quick one.

Asides from interring that many people is just physically impractical for us in space and cost, the follow up surveillance required for their affiliates who you have now radicalised is impossible.

Unfortunately I agree with the ex MI5 guy the other day, this is going to last for decades.

And this isn't just a western problem, it's a world problem and we need to wipe this cancer of ISIS off the face of the planet, so there is no source to inspire these home grown attacks. Unfortunately, that we are so in bed with the regimes that actually prop up these groups is one of the reasons why this is going to be a long term problem.

 

[do_ron_ron]

Precisely, we would all like an easy solution to this, but unfortunately there isn't, nor a quick one.

Asides from interring that many people is just physically impractical for us in space and cost, the follow up surveillance required for their affiliates who you have now radicalised is impossible.

Unfortunately I agree with the ex MI5 guy the other day, this is going to last for decades.

And this isn't just a western problem, it's a world problem and we need to wipe this cancer of ISIS off the face of the planet, so there is no source to inspire these home grown attacks. Unfortunately, that we are so in bed with the regimes that actually prop up these groups is one of the reasons why this is going to be a long term problem.

The problem is that ISIS is just the next reincarnation of these groups. You defeat one and the survivors and the next lot pop up and the cycle continues until you come to a political solution of the root causes. N. Ireland and the IRA should be an obvious example to the people especially in this country but let's forget what history has taught us and repeat the same mistakes over and over and over .....

 

[Freakbro]

The problem is that ISIS is just the next reincarnation of these groups. You defeat one and the survivors and the next lot pop up and the cycle continues until you come to a political solution of the root causes. N. Ireland and the IRA should be an obvious example to the people especially in this country but let's forget what history has taught us and repeat the same mistakes over and over and over .....

Yea, I agree. If you look up the statistics for defeating terrorism, (from memory) military action accounts for ~13%, political dialogue over 50%

But our resident right wingers don't want to hear about talking to terrorists, and in respect of ISIS, they show no interest in dialogue anyway, so the only political solution is via their proxies, like SA...but as I said, we're so beholden to them we currently don't have a lot of leverage to apply against them

But as for this localised type of attack from a self radicalised attacker, there's very little we can do to stop all of them, if you bear in mind the amount of attacks the security services do disrupt - thankfully mostly due to information given by the local Muslim community

 

[dowie]

biggest slave system - you mean the white Christains?

Our bible is chock full of such wonderful ideas as stoning to death any woman who gets pregnant out of wedlock etc, etc , etc.

He who casts the first stone.

Stop blaming religion for the actions of a tiny minority. You could use the same arguments with any colour or religion.

Well in the cases where a religion is part of the reason for an attack you can yes, I don't see the issue per say, religion is partly to blame. It is just an ideology, various ideologies can be part of the motivation to attack people and they're all open to blame/criticism whether they include a deity or not.

Likewise would you put forth the same argument re: Nazis/the far right re: the vehicle incident the other day - that we shouldn't blame far right politics because other Nazi protestors didn't kill people? I think it would be rather dubious to try and do so though.

Even people like Nigel Farage were getting flack on twitter - which is kind of equivalent to some random muslim leader with nothing to do with Islamism getting flack after condemning an Islamist attack.

You need to distinguish between people and the ideology, sure we shouldn't blame random muslims for this just as we shouldn't direct random anger at right wing politicians or even the actual nazi protestors re: the US attack. However to try and pretend that this attack has nothing to do with Islam would be akin to trying to pretend that the recent US attack had nothing to do with the far right... it is laughably silly to try and do that.