Barcelona Incident

Caracus2k said:
Palpable nonsense if over 1.8 million people globally followed the Jain religion would we see more, less or about the same about of global terror and violence??

I think you know the answer. The fundamentals of a religion MATTER.
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That's not the point. Yes, some religions do have more violent adherents than others. However, if you got rid of their religions they'd find some other outlet, excuse, whatever for their violence.
 
Caracus2k said:
Palpable nonsense if over 1.8 million people globally followed the Jain religion would we see more, less or about the same about of global terror and violence??

I think you know the answer. The fundamentals of a religion MATTER.
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Billion. I think you mean 1.8 billion.

In any event, I am not saying some religions are toxic. Islam certainly is toxic. What I am saying is that even without religion, there'd still be conflict, because its a fundamental part of the human experience. And frankly eternal peace is not desirable.
 
Schlong&Stable said:
Billion. I think you mean 1.8 billion.

In any event, I am not saying some religions are toxic. Islam certainly is toxic. What I am saying is that even without religion, there'd still be conflict, because its a fundamental part of the human experience. And frankly eternal peace is not desirable.
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You're right I of course meant billion...its still stupid to say that without X religion there would still be violence....

The question is would the be more or less or about the same... so religions do matter
 
do_ron_ron said:
biggest slave system - you mean the white Christains?

Our bible is chock full of such wonderful ideas as stoning to death any woman who gets pregnant out of wedlock etc, etc , etc.

He who casts the first stone.

Stop blaming religion for the actions of a tiny minority. You could use the same arguments with any colour or religion.
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I wish people would stop saying "tiny minority"

Its a minority sure, but its significant enough that there's weekly Islamic inspired terrorist attacks, whether there somewhere in the Middle East, Africa, Spain or France, its now almost constant.
 
Vonhelmet said:
That's not the point. Yes, some religions do have more violent adherents than others. However, if you got rid of their religions they'd find some other outlet, excuse, whatever for their violence.
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Why are certain groups proportionally more violent then others? Are you seriously suggesting that a religion that states its the one true religion, superior to all others, that says it will dominate the world and until then there will be 'the house of war' where the unbelievers dominate and the house of 'the religion in question' where it dominates, that talks about holy war and has a prophet that was a massive warmonger in his own right wont maybe just cause its adherents to be more violent?

You wont eliminate violence the question is can we reduce it?
 
Cowards, absolute utter scum. To the scum... enjoy your eternity in Hell. The ones you killed will enjoy their eternity in Heaven. Last laugh is on them not us. RIP to the victims of this disease.
 
sigma said:
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What do you even mean by this statement?

Let me guess, liberals, lefties etc? What about them? What did they do wrong in Barca?
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They're generally the ones who campaign or push for reduced sentences. Can't commit a terrorist act if you're still.locked up.
 
albert said:
Another one 'known to police'

I wonder when the namby pamby pc do-gooder's will realise enough is enough.
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After Manchester i have concluded that for them they'd rather commit suicide than say enough is enough. They killed children in Manchester and nothing has changed at all. Tea lights and changing your status in Facebook is going to do **** all
 
robgmun said:
After Manchester i have concluded that for them they'd rather commit suicide than say enough is enough. They killed children in Manchester and nothing has changed at all. Tea lights and changing your status in Facebook is going to do **** all
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But this keeps coming back to the question, what are you expecting Sharon from Darlington to do about Islamic terrorism? Their actions aren't intended to be a deterrence, it's just an expression of empathy. I really don't understand the need you guys have to criticise people just showing respect for others affected by these events.

So, I'm wondering what direct action have you taken to stop these atrocious acts happening?
 
Freakbro said:
So, I'm wondering what direct action have you taken to stop these atrocious acts happening?
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We can't, anything the general public can do to help stop it are branded "Racist" and "Islamophobic" and can (and frequently are) reported to the police. We can barely even say anything these days without repercussions. See that MP that was fired by Corbyn over saying undisputed FACTS!

So we're left with an impotant government that rather rwing their hands rather than calling a spade a spade.

Guess what... this will come across as profiling, but if we stop anyone with a middle-eastern name being able to hire a van across Europe, these attacks will slow down significantly. But no one has the balls to do something so radical
 
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robgmun said:
We can't, anything the general public can do to help stop it are branded "Racist" and "Islamophobic" and can (and frequently are) reported to the police.
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Really? Because the police and security services rely on tip offs from people in the local community.....the ones branded racist and reported to the police are generally the racist ones posting hate speech and calling for direct action against Muslims

but if we stop anyone with a middle-eastern name being able to hire a van across Europe, these attacks will slow down significantly. But no one has the balls to do something so radical
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LOL! Brilliant.....:D Oh for life to be so simple.....maybe people don't do this, not because they haven't got the balls, but because it's completely idiotic :p
 
Vonhelmet said:
That's not the point. Yes, some religions do have more violent adherents than others. However, if you got rid of their religions they'd find some other outlet, excuse, whatever for their violence.
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Yeah, they'd be violent over their religion being banned, first and foremost. More than just the ones that are violent right now. "Death to unbelievers" and all that other jazz it says in their holy tome, and they are all left to interpret it their own way, which may or may not be a violent interpretation. Yet we must tolerate that and just hope that the majority of them do not see it as a command to go out and commit violence. Well please excuse me if I'm becoming less and less tolerant with every attack I see in the news.
 
Freakbro said:
Everyone knows there is a problem with Islamic terrorism, the disagreement is what to do about it
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I'd disagree. We have some people on this forum for example who will insist there isn't a problem. They'll trott out figures like you're more likely to be struck by lightening etc. Etc.
 
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