The Defenders (Marvel)

Apart from Ironfist (which I still enjoyed even though it weren't that good) I thought they were all pretty decent. Contrary to popular opinion in this thread, I enjoyed Luke Cage the most I think.
 
Jonny2284 said:
I think the thing with JJ is it had some good stuff but it needed to be presented differently to get around some big pacing issues. It needed that same 2 arc format Luke Cage had where the first half had the shadow of Kilgrave hung over Jessica while she worked some more normal cases and we still got a sense of who she was when her whole life wasn't upside down thanks to him. Bring Kilgrave into focus around the halfway mark and make him the big bad then. Less time, more impact, you could have even sold it he was the puppet master of the first half. But we got what? 30 minutes of no Kilgrave before everything went into panic mode and never calmed down.

Without going all comic book guy on it, Kilgrave was a perpetual shadow over Jessica's life all through Alias, but he only actually came into focus right at the end and I honestly thing if they'd had someone besides Tennant they could have done that here, but it feels like we got a mandated "we got the Doctor Who guy, the fangirls will turn off if he's not around all the time".
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Interesting, I kind of assumed they looked at their show with JJ and thought 'oh ****, our main char is an unlikable Emo superhero and all our support chars are bland' and so decided to try make Tennant the focus to hide that fact
 
SixTwoSix said:
Would like to watch this, have watched DD and JJ but no interest in the other two, is there any major backstory I will miss going in?
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Luke Cage is in a off and on relationship with the nurse from Daredevil, Iron Fist missing no backstory at all.
 
I am on episode 5 now, compared to the pace of Luke Cage and Iron Fist this feels like it is on Turbo, much faster pace, story moves on much faster, a lot of action sequences and generally much better.

The only thing I don't feel is a sense of danger, with them all together it feels like they are unbeatable no matter who the opposition is.
 
I just watched episode 1. Thought it was good. Looking forward to the rest.

I've been arguing with a few mates, as I pretty much think Iron Fist is a completely terrible character(what is his power?... Barely getting through fights against low level grunts?) and the very first scene is Danny getting beaten up... Then I read the description of episode 2 "Danny meets his match"... Who? A 90 year old blind woman? My gran could kick his arse!
 
He doesn't have superpowers outside the fist but he's still meant to be an expert in unarmed combat. Contrast that with Luke who is strong but a pretty crappy fighter.

I'm up to 7. I'm enjoying it, only person I'm not really feeling is Sigourney Weaver. I'm liking Jessica a lot more in a group, she's a bit less whiny and emo when she can play off the others. Her dialogue with Matt has been particularly good.
 
Shamikebab said:
He doesn't have superpowers outside the fist but he's still meant to be an expert in unarmed combat.
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No I know, I just don't get the character. I only got through about 6/7 episodes of his show but I barely remember him showing his superior fighting abilities at all... Pretty sure he got knocked out by a random library security guard at one point.

The chick with the sword that follows him is infinitely more interesting!
 
Yeah I like Coleen. For me Iron Fist the show was good because I liked the supporting characters (both good and bad) even though the main guy is a bit of a whiny douchebag.
 
Shamikebab said:
Yeah I like Coleen. For me Iron Fist the show was good because I liked the supporting characters (both good and bad) even though the main guy is a bit of a whiny douchebag.
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Ward was another very good character from Iron Fist. Tbh, seeing what was going to happen with him is probably the reason I lasted as long as I did!
 
The Hand come across so badly, too much corporate not enough murderous murdering demon loving nihilistic murderers!

It needed to be darker.
 
Good enough show and the shorter format was definitely a plus.

Downside was still Danny, but given that this is a direct continuation of Iron Fist I guess he hasn't had enough time to grow up and stop being a naive man child. I suppose they want to hold that character development for S2.

Guess with the ending "reveal" it isn't so bad since the next season was already confirmed anyway.


Next up Punisher, hope they get this one spot on.
 
Ironfist is still a turd, writing is still terrible, so many ridiculous reactions just to set up the scene they want. Danny's inability to have a single conversation without getting irrationally angry and doing something stupid is pitiful.

"I'm going to be a big boy now and put on a suit.... then walk into the headquarters and tell them how bad I think they are".

They wanted a fight and for them to stumble into each other, but the reason for them being there was just awful, as usual. It seems like so many other stupid shows, they have a list of set pieces and situations they want up front, then they write literally anything at all to get them all there and that is where the show falls down.

The turning on Danny and capturing him is pitiful, the in the restaurant and about to be explained everything by Stick but no, they have to freak out and then he stops talking. Just after that Jessica smashes elektra with a car, she's on the floor and instead of going and knocking her out she walks over and stands with the group. That is one of the thing that bugs me the most, how often they fight then all stop so they can be surrounded for no reason. Even at the end at the bottom of the tunnel you have ironfist again not using ironfist, but two guys who can kill with punches and all the non super power bad guys get beaten down, then it all stops and all those bad guys are fine and surround them again.

There wasn't a particularly good fight in the entire series and as usual all the sidekicks are absolutely abysmal. The cop who, despite never achieving anything at all and having zero ability to deal with super human types, constantly talks down to them like if they just tell her what is going on her and her handgun can totally do more than the superhero types. Her entire character is insanely bad, then the reporter, forget her name, is just awful. Oh, the City is in danger, maybe you should be a lawyer and watch millions die, how could you put on a suit and save them, you're a terrible terrible person.

Then the whole, killing people is bad, but letting bad guys live you know will kills thousands or millions of others is the morally right choice. Then super nurse, can't stand her, morality changes at the drop of a hat, constantly bangs on about killing being bad, threatens to kill someone when they threaten her mum, became a semi decent fighter overnight, love interest for everyone in the show it seems.
 
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