My most despised character on TV. Used to work in an unspecified job at a hospital where she seemed to be in charge of everything. Speaks down to every single person she comes across and acts so superior to them, then spends every episode she is in acting superior to everyone.
The Defenders (Marvel)
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My most despised character on TV. Used to work in an unspecified job at a hospital where she seemed to be in charge of everything. Speaks down to every single person she comes across and acts so superior to them, then spends every episode she is in acting superior to everyone.
I enjoyed it, but then lifelong comic fan so I'm a sucker for a big team up and I can't deny there are some big flaws.
I found Danny worse here than in Iron Fist, not that I agree with the angry child portrayal of the character in his own series but at least in Iron Fist it was justified if not immature and his tantrums and naive decisions were plot points, here every time it looked like they might have made him mature a little bit they had to throw it away because they needed to move the plot along, it didn't serve as development, he just reverts whenever the plot requires it and after about episode 5 he stopped being a character in the show and just became a plot device.
Way too much focus on the hand internal politics and scenes where they don't like each other, they don't trust Alexandra and are plotting. I figure this is the same problem as the Kilgrave thing in Jessica Jones, you got a big name in the part so they have to have more screen time than their plot really deserves.
The supporting casts, I get for the big team up the secondary casts have to be involved, but when the best you can do with them is put them all in a room don't bother, don't do it just to check the box. They way the various series have Jeri Hogarth pop up when relevant is how it should be done. And Claire just needs to finish her role as Netflix's Coulson and get Loki'd. She was just about tolerable in the individual shows but completely insufferable here.
And I wasn't a huge fan of her during DD season 2, but i'm fairly sure Elektras' accent wasn't that bad it was changing line by line there.
I found Danny worse here than in Iron Fist, not that I agree with the angry child portrayal of the character in his own series but at least in Iron Fist it was justified if not immature and his tantrums and naive decisions were plot points, here every time it looked like they might have made him mature a little bit they had to throw it away because they needed to move the plot along, it didn't serve as development, he just reverts whenever the plot requires it and after about episode 5 he stopped being a character in the show and just became a plot device.
Way too much focus on the hand internal politics and scenes where they don't like each other, they don't trust Alexandra and are plotting. I figure this is the same problem as the Kilgrave thing in Jessica Jones, you got a big name in the part so they have to have more screen time than their plot really deserves.
The supporting casts, I get for the big team up the secondary casts have to be involved, but when the best you can do with them is put them all in a room don't bother, don't do it just to check the box. They way the various series have Jeri Hogarth pop up when relevant is how it should be done. And Claire just needs to finish her role as Netflix's Coulson and get Loki'd. She was just about tolerable in the individual shows but completely insufferable here.
And I wasn't a huge fan of her during DD season 2, but i'm fairly sure Elektras' accent wasn't that bad it was changing line by line there.
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I didn't watch Iron Fist, but I was wondering why someone trained in meditation to the point that they can summon chi in such a way and be selected as some kind of chosen one could be such a quick tempered child.
Apart from that, the only thing that bugged me was how characters kept conveniently turning up in the right place at just the right moment for no apparent reason.
Still enjoyed it though.
Apart from that, the only thing that bugged me was how characters kept conveniently turning up in the right place at just the right moment for no apparent reason.
Still enjoyed it though.
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I watched 1 episode, that was enough for me. Same ****, different day.
My god that was some cringe right there yeah.
I have just finished the series and i really didnt think much of it at all. It is essentially ruined by Ironfist being in it. He's again just a mardy manchild that is apparently a 'super martial arts weapon' yet seems to be rubbish at martial arts. Gets his ass handed to him by anyone and everyone, until his hand glows and then for some reason people forget how to move or fight and stand there whilst he hits them lol.
I have actually really disliked colleen in this as well. She is pretty much as mardy/naive as Danny in this. Misty was also really annoying....the show is basically full of unlikable characters lol.
Daredevil was pretty decent in the action scenes as usual, that's about the only redeeming thing.
Finished it last night, honestly I don't think it needed it's own series apart from the marketing and they could have tacked this onto the back of one of the standalone shows.
One bonus point was the fight scenes must have brought the Daredevil stunt people in as they were loads better than what we got in Iron Fist.
One bonus point was the fight scenes must have brought the Daredevil stunt people in as they were loads better than what we got in Iron Fist.
It is stark how more capable Luke/Jessica and especially Iron Fist appear in action than in their own shows.
Not finished, 5 or 6 in, so far I'm enjoying the pacing which was/has not been all guns blazing, giving characters breathing room.
It may fizzle as some suggest here, but taking Iron Fist from where I was at with him as a character by the bitter end of his solo show, to a point where I can at least accept him a mildly annoying joke, is far more impressive than it sounds.
The older cast, especially Stick / Scott Glen really add to the show, I was hoping it would replicate DD s01 slow build to Fisk but I suspect the shorter format means it wont quite get there.
I don't think this really quite worked. The Avengers gel really well on screen despite considerable diversity in terms of their abilities. It didn't really happen here. I guess maybe in part because the show gave too little time to what sets the characters apart.
IMHO it was Jessica Jones that came out of this one the worst. In this show, the only things setting her apart from Luke Cage is the fact she isn't indestructible, and she drinks a lot. She seems to have lost the ability to jump/fly. She barely does any detective work. She didn't really bring anything to the team that Luke didn't already supply.
I'd pick similar issues with Iron Fist compared to Daredevil, but I feel like giving him a pass as it seems the executives have decided Danny Rand has to be useless. It's not so much a fault with The Defenders. More Marvel policy.
Also, the villains were crap. And I never really fully understood what they were fighting for. The stakes always felt low. And the Elecktra stuff was just nonsense.
TBH, it's probably my least favourite Marvel Netflix show, largely because I'm struggling to come up with redeeming moments. At least Iron Fist and JJ had a few, while Luke Cage was only let down by the last third.
IMHO it was Jessica Jones that came out of this one the worst. In this show, the only things setting her apart from Luke Cage is the fact she isn't indestructible, and she drinks a lot. She seems to have lost the ability to jump/fly. She barely does any detective work. She didn't really bring anything to the team that Luke didn't already supply.
I'd pick similar issues with Iron Fist compared to Daredevil, but I feel like giving him a pass as it seems the executives have decided Danny Rand has to be useless. It's not so much a fault with The Defenders. More Marvel policy.
Also, the villains were crap. And I never really fully understood what they were fighting for. The stakes always felt low. And the Elecktra stuff was just nonsense.
TBH, it's probably my least favourite Marvel Netflix show, largely because I'm struggling to come up with redeeming moments. At least Iron Fist and JJ had a few, while Luke Cage was only let down by the last third.
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I am only up to ep 5-6 but why did stick allow himself to be killed. He put up almost no fight. Stupid!! He even pulled out of killing Electra even though he's all for killing pretty much anyone. Talk about flipflop character. He said only a few episode back to Matt that the thing inside her was not her and it would need killing.
To be fair telling Matt that when stood around talking and removed from the situation is a bit different from him being in front of her having the woman he trained and raised in front on him with a bang to rights opportunity to kill her. All throughout his appearances in DD we got traces of stick caring about Matt and Elektra far more than any of his "you need to be detached" speeches let on.
I was enjoying this to a point.
However, Iron Fist is the most useless, annoying character to ever grace TV. Rumour has it, his stand alone has been commissioned for a season 2. He can't fight, he can't think and he doesn't use his power correctly.
The only positive for me was DD.
However, Iron Fist is the most useless, annoying character to ever grace TV. Rumour has it, his stand alone has been commissioned for a season 2. He can't fight, he can't think and he doesn't use his power correctly.
The only positive for me was DD.
Watched the first episode, kind of skipped through it after a while. Only scenes I somewhat liked were with sigourney weaver. Daredevil was okay, but the rest were trash imo. Every time the scene changed to cage, some rap music would start playing, wtf, stereotype much?
Overall, load of rubbish, waste of 20 minutes for me.
Overall, load of rubbish, waste of 20 minutes for me.
Finally got round to watching it all.
Its much better than IF, although the character still suffers from braindead moments. Choreography was on a par with DD.
It could gave been better by giving each character 2 seasons before it got to this point. Punisher would have been a better addition than JJ.
Its much better than IF, although the character still suffers from braindead moments. Choreography was on a par with DD.
It could gave been better by giving each character 2 seasons before it got to this point. Punisher would have been a better addition than JJ.
Just got through the first two episodes and it's watchable... but the guy who plays Iron Fist is still one of the worlds most appalling actors and only mildly less annoying than he was in his own series.
Thankfully Jessica is still awesome, Daredevil is still a likeable pussy blind ninja, and Luke Cage is still predictably hard as nails.
Will work my way through it over the next week or so.
Thankfully Jessica is still awesome, Daredevil is still a likeable pussy blind ninja, and Luke Cage is still predictably hard as nails.
Will work my way through it over the next week or so.
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I don't think the actor is bad, I think the character of Danny Rand is really poorly written.