McDonalds workers due to strike for £10 an hour...

The 1st line tech support roles generlly require a person to have a degree/exp/certs etc.
This is actually quite rare, usually when there's a job in IT going the company will have somebody actually on the IT team conduct or take part in the interview. Most "IT related" degrees are worth about as much as an A level so unless it's the HR department recruiting the staff by itself you wont see many staff with degrees, they usually have useful certification or experience instead.
 
They could strike for £10 an hour, or they could show they are a reliable intelligent worker, gain more skills and experience, and then their labour market value will be £10 an hour or even more, at which point they can apply for a better job, either internally or externally. By doing this as a country we will also incentivise people to better them self, and in doing that we will grow the economy and continue to be a rich prosperous society with a high economic output.

Alternatively, why would anyone who earns £10 an hour who has worked their way up into a role that demands more skills and responsibility continue to do that role if they can simply go do any unskilled job for the same money, and possibly have an easier/less stressful time?

If everyone did what you said then mcdonalds would have no one to serve you and they all wouldnt find higher paid work as that work is not in high enough supply for everyone, not to mention supply and demand balance would change in affect lowering the pay of those higher skilled jobs. So yes its a way out for "some" people, but it does nothing for the problem that those working at mcd probably should get paid more (likewise with self stackers etc.).

Also to the earlier comment to rebuff my housing solution, the last I checked this country has lots of fields, countryside etc. plenty of space to build new towns etc. The only real problem with space is london, which has its own problems. The answer to the london problem is to move wealth generation outside of london, this country's economy is extremely unbalanced where its mostly focused in london (and most of the rest in the south east). But its an illusion to think that north of london is not affected by supply and demand. I live in one of the poorest cities in the UK and private renting here is still a ripoff. My one bed flat rent costs more than my sister's mortgage in a 3 bed house that has a large garden. This doesnt even take into consideration of fees related to tenancies, credit checks, application fees, and moving fees if you have to move (since private renting has no security mostly for more than 6-12 months). A lot of burden for someone on £7 an hour.
 
If everyone did what you said then mcdonalds would have no one to serve you and they all wouldnt find higher paid work as that work is not in high enough supply for everyone, not to mention supply and demand balance would change in affect lowering the pay of those higher skilled jobs. So yes its a way out for "some" people, but it does nothing for the problem that those working at mcd probably should get paid more (likewise with self stackers etc.).

Look, low skilled jobs at McDonalds are meant for young people who live at home, or students who need a bit of extra spending money. It's entry level work. If you force McDonalds to pay their workers £10 an hour, they'll replace those workers with robots and you'll put people out of work. Now rather than having a job where they can gain skills and show they're a reliable hard worker, they have nothing.
 
That was the same argument used when the min wage got introduced.

Are you saying someone who needs a job to feed him/her self and their family should turn down a mcd job because they not a student or living with another billpayer?

£10 an hour is coming, its inevitable, there is social momentum to move to the living wage, even the tories are not fighting it.
 
I just get Labour stuff on my Facebook and ive recently seen a lot of "Ten quid an hour" stuff being touted...
 
£10 an hour is coming, its inevitable, there is social momentum to move to the living wage, even the tories are not fighting it.

I think you mean minimum wage and AFAIK the target is £9 an hour by 2020.

Personally I think there ought to be regional variation in the min wage rather than variation by age (or perhaps the ability to set it could be devolved to say the Scottish Parliament, London, Welsh, NI assemblies and the new super mayors in the Midlands, Manchester etc..).
 
Regardless if you like or dislike fast food - it should be based on the skill level required and burger flipping is not a skilled position which explains the level of pay (because practically anyone can do it).

At the other end of the scale and unpalatable as it may seem, an MP potentially running the country should be paid more than they do at the moment.

Why should pay be based on skill and not the market?
 
Why £10 an hour when it's all about £18 an hour?

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I think you mean minimum wage and AFAIK the target is £9 an hour by 2020.

Personally I think there ought to be regional variation in the min wage rather than variation by age (or perhaps the ability to set it could be devolved to say the Scottish Parliament, London, Welsh, NI assemblies and the new super mayors in the Midlands, Manchester etc..).

No I mean the living wage which is higher than the minimum wage. Both the tories and labour support migrating to it, just have different ways of getting there. The tories plan I believe is to accelerate the minimum wage growth so it catches up with the living wage.

The age variation definitely needs to go, regional variation may become too complex, but I wouldnt necessarily be against it.
 
No I mean the living wage which is higher than the minimum wage. Both the tories and labour support migrating to it, just have different ways of getting there. The tories plan I believe is to accelerate the minimum wage growth so it catches up with the living wage.

The age variation definitely needs to go, regional variation may become too complex, but I wouldnt necessarily be against it.

This seems a bit confused - The minimum wage is objectively defined by legislation, the living wage could mean a number of things such as that defined by third party organisations such as the living wage foundation and that one already varies regionally to the extent that it is higher in London. What the tories are proposing basically means raising the minimum wage/rebranding it as a 'living wage' though I suspect that should they achieve this goal (£9 by 2020) there will still be other 'living wage' measures that it falls short of.

The Freddo thing is great, and shows that wages are in no way keeping up with prices.

or perhaps that confectionary has risen above inflation...
 
or perhaps that confectionary has risen above inflation...

Are Freddos included in the Consumer Price Index? I don't know that they explicitly are but I'm pretty sure confectionary in general must be. And as the CPI is used to calculate Inflation, Freddos are probably unlikely to have risen dramatically above inflation. As owner-occupied houses are included in the CPI and because property values have continued to soar, I'd actually say it's likely that Freddos have seen a below-inflation rise.
 
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Are Freddos included in the Consumer Price Index? I don't know that they explicitly are but I'm pretty sure confectionary in general must be. And as the CPI is used to calculate Inflation, Freddos are probably unlikely to have risen dramatically above inflation. As owner-occupied houses are included in the CPI and because property values have continued to soar, I'd actually say it's likely that Freddos have seen a below-inflation rise.

nothing to do with likely, if the figures in the other post are correct re the price of Freddos then they have seen an above inflation increase (I'm not sure that confectionary as a whole necessarily has but it wouldn't surprise me)

yes confectionary is included though the ONS doesn't seem to give a more detailed breakdown other than: "Various selected popular brands of sweets, chocolates, gum and mints"

house prices aren't included in CPI btw.. it is CPIH you're thinking of
 
Look, low skilled jobs at McDonalds are meant for young people who live at home, or students who need a bit of extra spending money. It's entry level work. If you force McDonalds to pay their workers £10 an hour, they'll replace those workers with robots and you'll put people out of work. Now rather than having a job where they can gain skills and show they're a reliable hard worker, they have nothing.

Exactly. If nothing else, a year at a McDonalds with a good reference shows you can follow me time critical processes and work well in a team.
 

I'm still not sure why they are striking over zero hours when they've been offered fixed hour contracts and presumably turned them down. At my sons branch hardly anyone wanted to give up their zero hour contract! He has not once in 18 months done less than 39 hours, and usually a lot more.
I suspect that there are internal issues at the stores concerned, **** poor management and bullying.
 
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