What I am saying is people that say kids need to choose their own gender are nutty, we have biological reason why we have genders, your daughter can go to the boys clothes if she wants, if that is her decision and not something that is forced on her.
John Lewis adopts gender neutral clothing lines for children
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I think it's a decent idea , young kids don't care. My daughter's favourite t-shirts are from the boys section (dinosaur and Minecraft) as apparently she's only meant to like princesses and puppies.
All it means now is perhaps they'll make more that boys like seeing as boys and men's sections in shops tend to be tiny..
All it means now is perhaps they'll make more that boys like seeing as boys and men's sections in shops tend to be tiny..
Except gender is not solely biological.
I was being figurative.
The fact is this current gender/sexuality thing is effectively people wanting others not to judge them for their choices. If I want to wear a dress then there is nothing to stop me, but people are forcing this "everything is neutral" attitude to stop judgement. I can appreciate this as people should never be judged for their life choices (within reason).
The problem is people are forcing their kids to be gender neutral without actually realising there are physical and mental differences. A 2 year old hasn't got the mental capacity to decide if he/she is a boy/girl, so is it only natural to steer them in the direction of what their gender is? If after a few years my hypothetical daughter decides she likes doing perceived "manly" stuff, I'd encourage it because it's what makes her happy. Likewise if my hypothetical son decides he likes more "female" stuff, then cool, let him. The fact is both of them are still boys/girls.
After X amount of years they decide they are indeed not suited to the body they arrived into this world with, then fine, but that is the decision of an adult, not a kid or a parent forcing such an opinion on their child.
I popped out into this world as a male and have maintained such a gender for just shy of 29 years. If tomorrow I decided that I like to wear a dress and heals then that's cool, but I don't need to get angry at everyone else the fact that they are NOT wearing my choice of cloths or follow my lifestyle.
In other news, I'll bet that the majority of people posting in here grumbling neither have children nor shop in John Lewis, which would suggest that this is something of a two minutes hate bread and circuses type issue for people to get worked up about rather than doing something more productive with their time.
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How people get so worked up about these things is beyond me.
You really aren't getting this. Gender is not dictated by biological sex. And no rational person is getting angry over this.
I am sorry, in >99.99% of people gender and sex are one and the same.
What lifestyle you chose within the confines of your gender/sex is entirely up to you, but the fact is that apart from the very rare portion of the population, the body you are born with generally defines if you are a male or a female. And yes, there is anger, a whole lot of anger, from many people who claim the fact that I am wrong to be a white hetrosexual male (go explore the internet a bit).
I think I'll depart this thread at this point, I feel it may end up going round in circles.
I'd like to see any backing whatsoever for your 99.99% figure. Was that from a study conducted by the institute of madeupology at the university of your bedroom?
And I said there's no anger from rational people, although again you're referring to being heterosexual, and indeed white, which still has nothing to do with your gender or sex. Even then, why on earth do you care what some random folk on the internet think about your sexuality?
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Having been clothes shopping yesterday for my daughters I can at least see where John Lewis are coming from. Both were ridiculing the plethora of unicorns and pink ponies on the girl wear.
Most parents aren't going to care. We just want something the children will wear and is the right balance of price and longevity. Not too expensive that you're annoyed when they grow out of them, but not so cheap they fall apart after the first couple of washes.
Most parents aren't going to care. We just want something the children will wear and is the right balance of price and longevity. Not too expensive that you're annoyed when they grow out of them, but not so cheap they fall apart after the first couple of washes.
Boredom? Fashion? A constant yearn to be 'different'? More social acceptance? Mixture?
None of it really bothers me. Fact that it appears to be everywhere irritates me slightly.
I don't really care what people call themselves, what they identify as, what they like to poke, how they like to poke it, what they like to wear or what they like to add/cut off.
However body dysmorphia needs to be treated for what it is.. and that is a mental illness. These people need help, and they deserve it.
In the 00's being emo or goth was the new in thing to be different. Apart from everyone who wanted to be different ended up the same. The cynic in me thinks this is just a step up/ progression from this. Takes more and more to still have that shock factor on society.
None of it really bothers me. Fact that it appears to be everywhere irritates me slightly.
I don't really care what people call themselves, what they identify as, what they like to poke, how they like to poke it, what they like to wear or what they like to add/cut off.
However body dysmorphia needs to be treated for what it is.. and that is a mental illness. These people need help, and they deserve it.
In the 00's being emo or goth was the new in thing to be different. Apart from everyone who wanted to be different ended up the same. The cynic in me thinks this is just a step up/ progression from this. Takes more and more to still have that shock factor on society.
Its happening now because it is fashionable. Look at the characters popping up in mainstream TV. Youtube suddenly full of examples, all popular with kids.
This is a statement not a judgement based on comments from my daughter and observation on what she watches
Basically emo for the current generation
This is a statement not a judgement based on comments from my daughter and observation on what she watches
Basically emo for the current generation
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So who should choose someone's gender?
There is a biological reason to have sexes. Not the same thing as genders.
Still not forced - literally the same clothes as before, just in a non-gendered section. Means in JL I don't have to walk as far because she wants a unicorn t-shirt and a superhero one in the same trip
I cannot say I recall that... Maybe because I didn't know of these people. Sure on the news but not in person.
Classic GD is classic.
Go to the gender specific section in one of the hundreds of other high street retailers, problem solved. People complaining about issues that will never, ever effect them in any meaningful way. This isn't being imposed nationwide. No one's forcing you to dress each of your children in identical beige outfits. It's a new line of clothing for parents (and children I might add, because they often make decisions themselves... shocker) to choose from should they, you know, LIKE the style. It's basically as simple as that.
Go to the gender specific section in one of the hundreds of other high street retailers, problem solved. People complaining about issues that will never, ever effect them in any meaningful way. This isn't being imposed nationwide. No one's forcing you to dress each of your children in identical beige outfits. It's a new line of clothing for parents (and children I might add, because they often make decisions themselves... shocker) to choose from should they, you know, LIKE the style. It's basically as simple as that.
But it's being positioned as some historical groundbreaking feat of human achievement. This is not needed at all, and if you take Jennifer into the store to buy some new clothes and she likes the Captain America t-shirt, buy it for her, no worries. What difference does this make other than be a PR stunt for John Lewis, I guess they want their name in the press more and in the run up for the Christmas ad. As you have said, this changes literally nothing.
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