12-year-old boy who transitioned to female changes his mind two years later

FortuitousFluke said:
Didn't this happen in Australia? I don't know what their healthcare system is like, is it publicly funded?
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It’s partially funded through taxation but most of the healthcare providers are private. From what I’ve seen through friends, unless you’re poor, you have additional private medical insurance.
 
Mr Jack said:
The problem with waiting is that post-puberty bodies are much harder to transition, and ever harder to transition well. For people who are transgender early intervention is a lifelong benefit. The problem is that many children go through a stage, as this boy did, of feeling uncomfortable in their body without it being a lasting state. How do you tell the difference? What proportion of children are one, or the other? (Evidence from the before sex assignment therapy was possible suggests the majority of children who express gender disphoria grow out of it, often turning out to be homosexual). It's a difficult problem.



As you can see from the OP this child was begging for it.
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You can't (reliably) tell the difference so leave children alone
 
The real crap will hit the fan with a "designer baby" (ie, one where the parents chose the sex) decides it doesn't want to be that sex.....
 
What you get for trying to be the cool kid I'm afraid.

I know he was only 12 but he has clearly understood it was the 'in' thing at the time, with a spotlight. However kids that age haven't quite figured out the cool/ smart balance.

He has unfortunately been exposed to this tosh somewhere and now regrets it.
 
Why are we so comfortable with children making this decision for themselves yet we set the age of consent to 16?

Kids are not of the right mind to choose these things. Period.
 
12-year-old boy who transitioned to female changes his mind two years later

........surely if she changed her mind that suggests he made the right decision to be female?

A massive challenge to the medical profession and a litmus test identifying idiotic parenting in my humble opinion. They should wait until the age of reason. Invoke every modern problem meme here..........knowyourmeme.com/photos/196748-first-world-problems
 
Housey said:
A few weeks back on Twitter there was some hashtag about being gay and proud. I clicked it and was amazed how many kids were there, in highly sexualised poses proudly proclaiming their outness/gayness etc. I have zero issue with being gay, personal choice and all power to you. I have a massive issue with the sexualisation of children and the fact that even though they all think they are adult at 12, they aren't, they are kids. Treat them as such because you know what, even though the PC illuminati will take massive pride from such freedom it is still kids being kids and I suspect the vast majority of the various hash tag girls will hook up with boys and vice versa. That's fine but when people seek to make a 10 year old, old enough to make such a call it's pathetic.
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isn't this whole "they're kids treat them as such" the actual pc part?


in the past when unconstrained by society and laws kids would be banging each other at 12/13 (much like many still do).

i do wonder if the desexualisation of teenagers is a bigger problem.

if all goes according to most parents and schools plan a child reaches 16 with effectively zero knowledge and understanding of physical relationships.
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-38132301

We're letting 10 year olds pause their puberty until 12/13, when they can then make a decision to undertake puberty of the opposite sex.

Obvs I have no idea what it's like to be in their heads, but I'm not sure we should be doing this just because we can.

Makes me wonder how these people would have fared a couple hundred years ago, before they had the option of choosing the puberty they wished to experience. Would it be a case of temporary misery but later a normal adult life? Would they have killed themselves? Would they just be miserable their whole life?

Having the tech to choose sexes is all very well, but we have no idea why they feel like this in the first place. It seems to be a form of mental illness.

Ultimately we're treating the symptoms because we have no idea about the cause. It does seem wrong, esp in children so young.
 
FoxEye said:
British adults must be a lot more predatory than Spanish or German adults, then, where the age of consent is lower. ;)
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shock as countries wirh wildly differnt histories and cultures have slight variation in laws.


tell me did spain or Germany ever have Victorian values?

and would you say that sexual maturity/issues are greater or worse in Germany or spain than the UK?

I mean on the teenage pregnancy front the UK is the highest in Europe spain one of the lowest
 
Tefal said:
shock as countries wirh wildly differnt histories and cultures have slight variation in laws.


tell me did spain or Germany ever have Victorian values?

and would you say that sexual maturity/issues are greater or worse in Germany or spain than the UK?

I mean on the teenage pregnancy front the UK is the highest in Europe spain one of the lowest
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LOL. Your reasoning for the age of consent being 16 in this country was that "adults are highly predatory".

Now you're trying to back away from that.

Tell me, do you think adults are also highly predatory in Germany or Spain?
 
FoxEye said:
LOL. Your reasoning for the age of consent being 16 in this country was that "adults are highly predatory".

Now you're trying to back away from that.

Tell me, do you think adults are also highly predatory in Germany or Spain?
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no I'm saying with have an age of consent because adults are predatory children need to be protected from them.

if you saw my other post youd see I think rather than imposing Victorian values on our children and thus leaving them whole unprepared for sex and life we should have a more liberal attitude as you mention the countries on the continent do.

both have far less issues than we do because teenagers aren't fumbling in the dark when it comes to sex. (metaphorically im sure there's plenty of physical fumbling).


now are adults in those countries less predatory maybe maybe not but the children are certainly wiser and much more capable of dealing with these issues such that it is less needed to be enforced by law.

the more ignorant our children the more we have to protect them.


actually wheres @SexyGreyFox he has to deal with teenagers fairly reguarly in regards to health classes iirc


if you're about dimple how wpuld you describe the sexual education/general awareness of sex in the UK 14-16 year olds you deal with?

now if its anything like my encounters with 16 year olds (joys of going back to college as an adult) they are laughably unprepared and a short conversation with one will see you wanting the age of consent raised to 21 and after passing a written exam.


in summary

1) people are ********, adults will predate on children this means we need age of consent laws.

2) age of consent is largely based on when a child is capable of consenting based on thier understanding.

3) by artificially limiting thier understanding and education on the topic we have over time bred a culture that needs a higher age of consent than that of other countries.
 
Tefal said:
in summary

1) people are ********, adults will predate on children this means we need age of consent laws.

2) age of consent is largely based on when a child is capable of consenting based on thier understanding.

3) by artificially limiting thier understanding and education on the topic we have over time bred a culture that needs a higher age of consent than that of other countries.
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1/ is daft, a law that allows the age of consent to be 13, but another law that says if someone is between maybe 13 and 18 then they can't have sex with anyone more than 2 years their senior is more than enough to fight the predatory side. The fact is predators are predators and go for those underage, one of the problems in society is by not talking about it and pretending it doesn't happen and shouldn't happen till older is you leave a whole bunch of kids from age 4-5 to 15 who are taken advantage of but in a society they believe no one should ever talk about sex or in other words, keeping quite and having these laws while we pretend sex is bad below 16 helps predators imo.

2/ absolute nonsense, everyone is different, there is absolutely nothing that suggests a 16yr old is better able to make the decision about when to have sex than a 15 or 12 yr old, just societal piety. I know plenty of people who had sex younger than 16, and plenty who did it older. A couple of those younger wished they'd waited but it really has nothing to do with how old they were and just the person they did it with not being very interested in them after, ie those who thought it was something more serious and 'gave it up' to someone they loved when the other person just wanted to bang and move on to the next person. I would say far more people regret waiting so long precisely because they were led to believe it's a huge deal, it's something you should do with few people and only important relationships and realise that it's more fun and more casual than society likes to pretend and they could have been enjoying it more for longer and waiting and treating it as something special or sacred in later years they realise is basically a moronic position to take.

3/ more cobblers, right, if you don't tell a dude about sex, he won't start getting hard ons, won't hit puberty and won't be attracted to people..... if we don't teach them about puberty it doesn't happen, if we don't teach kids about sexual attraction they won't do anything about it. An urge is an urge, a feeling is a feeling. Lack of education doesn't lead to higher requirements for age of consent, it only leads to higher teen pregnancy and std rates.
 
drunkenmaster said:
1/ is daft, a law that allows the age of consent to be 13, but another law that says if someone is between maybe 13 and 18 then they can't have sex with anyone more than 2 years their senior is more than enough to fight the predatory side. The fact is predators are predators and go for those underage, one of the problems in society is by not talking about it and pretending it doesn't happen and shouldn't happen till older is you leave a whole bunch of kids from age 4-5 to 15 who are taken advantage of but in a society they believe no one should ever talk about sex or in other words, keeping quite and having these laws while we pretend sex is bad below 16 helps predators imo.

2/ absolute nonsense, everyone is different, there is absolutely nothing that suggests a 16yr old is better able to make the decision about when to have sex than a 15 or 12 yr old, just societal piety. I know plenty of people who had sex younger than 16, and plenty who did it older. A couple of those younger wished they'd waited but it really has nothing to do with how old they were and just the person they did it with not being very interested in them after, ie those who thought it was something more serious and 'gave it up' to someone they loved when the other person just wanted to bang and move on to the next person. I would say far more people regret waiting so long precisely because they were led to believe it's a huge deal, it's something you should do with few people and only important relationships and realise that it's more fun and more casual than society likes to pretend and they could have been enjoying it more for longer and waiting and treating it as something special or sacred in later years they realise is basically a moronic position to take.

3/ more cobblers, right, if you don't tell a dude about sex, he won't start getting hard ons, won't hit puberty and won't be attracted to people..... if we don't teach them about puberty it doesn't happen, if we don't teach kids about sexual attraction they won't do anything about it. An urge is an urge, a feeling is a feeling. Lack of education doesn't lead to higher requirements for age of consent, it only leads to higher teen pregnancy and std rates.
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you keep saying nonsense then essentially just rewriting exactly what I wrote!?


absolute nonsense, everyone is different, there is absolutely nothing that suggests a 16yr old is better able to make the decision about when to have sex than a 15 or 12 yr old,
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age of consent is largely based on when a child is capable of consenting based on thier understanding
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as I said its not age its understanding something our European neighbours do much better through society and education hence a lower age of consent.

we don't really educate or talk to our kids about sex and jist npot them out into the world where they **** up spectacularly.

but you can't really go kuch older than 16 before things start becoming silly.


more cobblers, right, if you don't tell a dude about sex, he won't start getting hard ons, won't hit puberty and won't be attracted to people..... if we don't teach them about puberty it doesn't happen, if we don't teach kids about sexual attraction they won't do anything about it. An urge is an urge, a feeling is a feeling. Lack of education doesn't lead to higher requirements for age of consent, it only leads to higher teen pregnancy and std rates.
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so yesh a higher age of consent is needed so that a person is more mature to fill in the blanks in thiet lack of knowledge.

you jumped purely for physiological there, completley ignored the emotional an psychological development.

an ignorant child who has no one to talk to is a kuch easier target thsn a wrll informed one who can speak openly about situations with thiet peers parents or teachers
 
You don't become capable of sex because you're told what sex is though, it's a misconception. Kids who are never taught about sex from anyone... still find a way to have sex. Places in america that do everything they can to prevent sex, pious religious nature, parents telling kids nothing or that sex is evil, schools literally saying abstinence only.... doesn't stop people having sex. Education is not a requirement to having or being ready for sex. So no I'm not rewriting what you said, I'm whole heartedly disagreeing with your stance entirely.

The last sentence was something I said you've restated, that has nothing to do with the three points you made. The laws for age of consent do not in any way help protect kids from predators, as I said, when you start trying to hide sex from kids up till they are 16 and you try to make talking to kids younger than that about sex 'bad', you are opening them up to being more easily hurt by abusive people, the laws don't help.

AS for psychological, again this is basically bull, it's a concept people just started saying, you can't EVER know if someone is ready.... for anything in life, because there is no indicator light on the outside of your skull. Also again with example, many people I know had sex younger and were fine and many had sex older and didn't think they were ready, many older realised it wasn't a big deal and wished they hadn't waited and almost anyone who thinks they should have waited longer wasn't because they weren't ready but because it was the wrong person. There is basically no right time and no way to determine the right side. But adding this outside judgement of when someone is ready is bull because you can't and there isn't really a right time in the first place so trying to judge when it is... when it doesn't exist, is beyond daft.
 
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