Boy removed from school in transgender rights row

But we explain to our children that "granny went to heaven". Even if we don't personally believe it because we believe that it's in the best interests of our children to broach that subject at a later date.

Pretty much everything culture on earth has developed some sort of belief system regarding mortality. Are they all wrong? Are they all deluded? Is their a scientific, biological reason for this?

My argument all along on this topic is not that someone thinks they are not the sex they are born with but that it involves children of a very young age.

Anyway I've got to go out now so it's not me being rude if I don't continue this conversation.

What on earth is that bold statement trying to say, everyone on earth tells children anyone/thing dead is in heaven?
 
I fully understand that in certain cases it can be scientifically difficult to define the sex and gender. But that's not the case here, this child is being brought up believing there is no difference between the sexes. My concern would be when the child grows up and possibly ends up with a great resentment about the way his childhood/life?? choices were forced upon him. I have no problem with people discovering they are transgender, I just don't agree it should be forced on you from birth

The clothing aspect is almost irrelevant, it's more to do with the bigger picture.


Failing that glad to report I'm clearly out of touch with the modern world

A number of people have stated this is enforced on the child, which is plausible but not really proven as far as I know.
 
So basically you don't have specific insight beyond a belief that this should be around 6 year old kids and a newspaper article.

Do I have a problem with ALL transgender people, I genuinely don't know, are we to assume the reasons for all people changing their gender are identical, you might as well ask do I have a problem with all men, women, blue eyed people.
What are the young people being exposed to?

Sorry dude but it's quite clear you have no real input. Swerve my questions. Just want to disagree with people.

I can easily say I don't have a problem with transgenders. Or men, or women, or people with blue eyes, or any social group you want to mention. I judge people on an individual basis.

My issue, which is quite clear, is youngsters being encouraged down a transgender path. Either by parents or sometimes by health professionals. This was the case in the 'newspaper' you swiftly disregarded.

You, quite rightly imo, stated that when it comes to genders, the line is blurred.there isn't some line in the sand separating the two.

So what has a youngster, in this case 6, experienced in life that would question his gender to a degree that he wants to transgender? Does he like wearing pink? Does he like playing with dolls? Does he like wearing skirts? Does he like make up? Does he simply prefer the company of other girls? Or like dancing? Seriously, what would a 6 year old have experienced to question if he is born in the wrong body? If it's simple social constructs like above which tend to be viewed more towards girls, why not just bring him up saying it's fine to do these things and be a boy? Not have him think I like these things I must be a girl in the wrong body.

Sorry but if you think encouraging/ supporting pre-teens down a transgender path is forward thinking or fine then you need to have a look at yourself, imo.
 
Sorry dude but it's quite clear you have no real input. Swerve my questions. Just want to disagree with people.

I can easily say I don't have a problem with transgenders. Or men, or women, or people with blue eyes, or any social group you want to mention. I judge people on an individual basis.

My issue, which is quite clear, is youngsters being encouraged down a transgender path. Either by parents or sometimes by health professionals. This was the case in the 'newspaper' you swiftly disregarded.

You, quite rightly imo, stated that when it comes to genders, the line is blurred.there isn't some line in the sand separating the two.

So what has a youngster, in this case 6, experienced in life that would question his gender to a degree that he wants to transgender? Does he like wearing pink? Does he like playing with dolls? Does he like wearing skirts? Does he like make up? Does he simply prefer the company of other girls? Or like dancing? Seriously, what would a 6 year old have experienced to question if he is born in the wrong body? If it's simple social constructs like above which tend to be viewed more towards girls, why not just ring him up saying it's fine to do these things and be a boy? Not have him think I like these things I must be a girl in the wrong body.

Sorry but if you think encouraging/ supporting pre-teens down a transgender path is forward thinking or fine then you need to have a look at yourself, imo.

What question do you feel was swerved?
Your last post makes an argument not far from mine, making a deal out of what gender a small child is, is something of an issue in it self, go back a few years from six and the absurdity is clear, is it in a pink baby grow it's a girl, is it a blue baby grow it's a boy, no, it's Winston Churchill, like all babies :)

It's not clear to me who is making the distinction unnecessarily strongly in this case.
 
I can easily say I don't have a problem with transgenders. Or men, or women, or people with blue eyes
You did ask if I had a problem with ALL transgendered people, I just pointed out the likely importance of each individual to answer that, otherwise I'd have no problem with hitler who might be all three, one ball so I hear :)

Obviously we agree the question is absurd!
 
What question do you feel was swerved?
Your post makes an argument not far from mine, making a deal out of what gender a small child is, is something of an issue in it self, go back a few years from six and the absurdity is clear, is it in a pink baby grow it's a girl, is it a blue baby grow it's a boy, no, it's Winston Churchill, like all babies :)

It's not clear to me who is making the distinction unnecessarily strongly in this case.

I think I get what you are arguing. It doesn't really make a difference what gender a child is. They can dress how they want, play with what they want, do what they want.

But bring them up knowing there are boys and girls and both are different. Bring them up knowing what their birth sex is because later in life it does make a difference.

I don't pretend to understand it fully, but I do struggle with what life experiences these pre-teens have had to question there gender/ sex. Which would point to interference/ influence from their parents.

If I, at the age of 28, don't understand it fully, what chance has a youngster got?
 
I think I get what you are arguing. It doesn't really make a difference what gender a child is. They can dress how they want, play with what they want, do what they want.

But bring them up knowing there are boys and girls and both are different. Bring them up knowing what their birth sex is because later in life it does make a difference.

I don't pretend to understand it fully, but I do struggle with what life experiences these pre-teens have had to question there gender/ sex. Which would point to interference/ influence from their parents.

If I, at the age of 28, don't understand it fully, what chance has a youngster got?
Without knowing more of the case the most probable issue here is newspapers using the word transgender for a six year old in order to sell copy!
 
These parents are a front for a 'Christian' political lobbying group. This isn't about one or two kids, it's an organised campaign dressed up to look like something more benign.
 
These parents are a front for a 'Christian' political lobbying group. This isn't about one or two kids, it's an organised campaign dressed up to look like something more benign.

Who the parents of the two 'bullies', not the skirt wearing kids, I'd presume?
In either case, my personal opinion (at this point) is the transgender six year old headline is unhelpful and potentially inaccurate!
 
Yes, the parents who appeared on TV and widely distributed a press release are a front for a political pressure group.

My position on the existence of God is on record here. These parents however and what looks like an agenda at this point (based on the language they are using) obviously doesn't represent the CofE school, nor likely, the position of many of my friends who are Christian. That said it doesn't seem improbable that they have an agenda that would be held by parts of the Church!
 
The irony is that in the past the Christian church (like all religions) imposed its views on the masses and no one dared express their objection; how could they the consequences would have been dire.

In the present day now that Christianity has lost its bite the religious parents demonstrate blistering bigotry and publically whine that "this is imposed on them". The irony.

This illustrates how we do not get our morals from religion and it does not know what is best for mankind in the 21st Century.

The parents ought to have educated their child to treat others as you would want to be treated yourself; the golden rule. This predates Christianity.

The parents fail to recognize that their child's school is a mini-society in which their child can make mistakes and practice social skills before entering the wider world. These parents have selfishly taught their child who knows no better their belief system; unsupported by any evidence, and they refuse to step out of the way and let their child problem solve and reach an age of reason when they can decide themselves.

The child cannot be held responsible for the parent's actions. They know no better.

As for the transgender child, let us hope they have wise counsel from their parents and the medical profession until they also reach an age of reason.
 
The irony is that in the past the Christian church (like all religions) imposed its views on the masses and no one dared express their objection; how could they the consequences would have been dire.

In the present day now that Christianity has lost its bite the religious parents demonstrate blistering bigotry and publically whine that "this is imposed on them". The irony.

This illustrates how we do not get our morals from religion and it does not know what is best for mankind in the 21st Century.

The parents ought to have educated their child to treat others as you would want to be treated yourself; the golden rule. This predates Christianity.

The parents fail to recognize that their child's school is a mini-society in which their child can make mistakes and practice social skills before entering the wider world. These parents have selfishly taught their child who knows no better their belief system; unsupported by any evidence, and they refuse to step out of the way and let their child problem solve and reach an age of reason when they can decide themselves.

The child cannot be held responsible for the parent's actions. They know no better.

As for the transgender child, let us hope they have wise counsel from their parents and the medical profession until they also reach an age of reason.

It may be all parties are happy with the term, I personally would be careful with applying the term transgender to a six year old.
 
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