Time to increase taxes?

Edrof said:
Clearly.
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Thr point is that some would say it's immoral for the government to take any tax from people on the basis that it's theft, and some would say that we should be taxed at 90% or whatever as some variety of socialism. Morality varies. The law doesn't, or at least it shouldn't.
 
last 10+ years idiots being saying efficiency. Time to actually go up a percent or 2, get to a basic level of service, then 10 more years of Efficiency BS talk.
 
Here's a crazy idea....

Increase all Criminal Fines by £20
The extra £20 will be distributed into separate accounts by the following:

£5 to the NHS - Crime generally causes NHS more problem with car crashes Acholism etc.
£5 to Schools - Help our schools out & educate the young better.
£5 to Police - for all the extra work they cause the police service
£5 to Fire Service - Help out the fire service for the issues criminal cause due to

Criminals then help out The Services they Cause harm to. whilst this doesn't help massively it does punish the people who can cause unnecessary wasted money on the services that need most help.

even if it allows the school to buy the necessary Equipment or Police 1 squad car per year. better than nothing.

but efficient spending is where its at.
From what i hear the NHS gloves cost £20 per packet were as other supplies can be gotten for £4
 
Moses said:
Pray tell, how much does health tourism cost? It's something like 0.3% of NHS spending... how much of that can we realistically stop?

What are the costs which'll be incurred by the state if people who have problems with their appearance don't have surgery? The same with people with gender issues. The same with people who have fertility issues.
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0.3% of billions is still a lot of money.
 
Moses said:
Pray tell, how much does health tourism cost? It's something like 0.3% of NHS spending... how much of that can we realistically stop?

What are the costs which'll be incurred by the state if people who have problems with their appearance don't have surgery? The same with people with gender issues. The same with people who have fertility issues.
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That's just the direct cost. The indirect cost of increased demand and strain on the system will mean this is a higher figure in actuality. But if you could decrease waiting times and staff utilisation and increase the budget by 0.3 billion I don't think anyone would complain...
 
I've drawn upon aeons of GD banter to go full bat**** 'nanas from the other side of the spectrum: tax wealth, ban inheritance and slide the income tax distribution towards a lower median point in phases, say over a decade. Drop all borders to labour movement, and eventually the retirement age, as opposed to current increases. Hammer market-distortive outliers and effective monopolies aggressively, and thus minimise the level of public sector exposure to private sector amalgamation and sheer systemic idiocy; potentially limiting the absolute size and ownership extension, in human and material capital, of companies, which may be sector dependent or uniform, whichever is cheaper to implement. Some also suggest we should have redistribution lotteries for the poorest and a sovereign wealth fund paying out a small part of an inchoate basic income, or some other 'common good' subsidy. Seek international agreements to the same effect.

Have fun! :D
 
Moses said:
Yes, but how much of it can be stopped - eg. are we meant to turn away women who are in Labour, people who need acute care, etc? Then how much would it cost to actually eliminate or significantly lower 'health tourism'? Etc.
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Oh course when Johnnny foreigner ships over his grandma to live out their days at the NHS's expense they should be turned away or agree funding up front.
 
The Running Man said:
Oh course when Johnnny foreigner ships over his grandma to live out their days at the NHS's expense they should be turned away or agree funding up front.
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y'know it'd be interesting to see some hard statistics of this sort of thing accompanied by a reliable figure on exactly how much it's actually costing the nhs.

it's the same kind of line as "johnny foreigner coming over here and living off the dole" but again never really given a hard number to let us compare this problem with other issues and see if it's as big an issue as it's made out to be.
 
I think Douglas Murray has done some stuff on it, many of his talks on youtube talk about the hard figures of it. Off the top of my head, someone in the bottom 50% of earners takes 10 years to accumulate enough tax to pay for services. Immigrants get full access straight away so there's always a drain, as immigrants haven't put 10 years of income tax into the system, naturally. It's something like that anyway, it makes sense tbf.
 
Nearly half my earnings go to HMRC aleady. From what I hear of wastage within the armed services and operational innefficiencies in supply chain, more money will not solve the problem.
 
adolf hamster said:
y'know it'd be interesting to see some hard statistics of this sort of thing accompanied by a reliable figure on exactly how much it's actually costing the nhs.

it's the same kind of line as "johnny foreigner coming over here and living off the dole" but again never really given a hard number to let us compare this problem with other issues and see if it's as big an issue as it's made out to be.
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Sure and it would be nice to see.muslim aid and Al-Fatiha Global paying for treatment in the UK instead of sending money to Syria to fund terrorism erg to pay for the healthcare of refugees and immigrants here?
 
Isn't inefficiency pretty endemic in the UK as a whole? You might find the odd example of a well-run company but the vast majority of things are poorly run and staffed by idiots regardless of who owns the business. I'm not sure how easily you can fix that to present it as an alternative to increased funding.
 
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