Paedophile hunters

[CREATIVE!11]

We don't need vigilante justice thanks.

I get sick of self righteous idiots basically hanging innocence people out to dry then shrug their shoulders when it comes out they were wrong.

Let the police do their job and keep the idiot mobs away.

 

[Mark A]

If i was part of the police that deals with this sort of thing i'd be looking into the vigilantes as well. No doubt some of them are doing this to appease the guilt of their own thoughts and possible crimes.

 

[Angilion]

Maybe you should read the links posted.

"Figures obtained by the BBC show 11% of court cases in 2014 for the crime of meeting a child following sexual grooming used evidence from "hunters", rising to 44% in 2016"

We need more of this. "'Recruit paedophile hunters' says ex-CEOP boss Jim Gamble"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-41350389

How many innocent victims are worth that increase in the percentage of cases using evidence obtained by "hunters"? Particularly since that's not even a claim that any of the evidence resulted in a conviction, let alone all of it.

There are always innocent victims when vigilantism is let loose, up to and including murder. It has happened. It will continue to happen. Over and over again. The more it's encouraged, the more it will happen. Given that even the most obviously baseless accusation of witchcraft is enough to ruin a person's life, that everyone is conditioned to presume guilt of witchcraft and that openly expressing support and fervent desire for torturing people accused of witchcraft to death is not just socially acceptable but socially expected, innocent victims are bound to become more common.

Oh, did I write "witchcraft" rather than "paedophilia"? Same thing, different century.

 

[deuse]

How many innocent victims are worth that increase in the percentage of cases using evidence obtained by "hunters"? Particularly since that's not even a claim that any of the evidence resulted in a conviction, let alone all of it.

There are always innocent victims when vigilantism is let loose, up to and including murder. It has happened. It will continue to happen. Over and over again. The more it's encouraged, the more it will happen. Given that even the most obviously baseless accusation of witchcraft is enough to ruin a person's life, that everyone is conditioned to presume guilt of witchcraft and that openly expressing support and fervent desire for torturing people accused of witchcraft to death is not just socially acceptable but socially expected, innocent victims are bound to become more common.

Oh, did I write "witchcraft" rather than "paedophilia"? Same thing, different century.

"Man convicted after being caught by paedophile hunters" http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-38265691

There are more, but I'm to busy to give you a right spanking

 

[PiKe]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4909460/Man-thought-meeting-15-year-old-girl-snared.html

This guy was snared by vigilantes and is being sentenced.

So there is such a thing as vigilante justice.

 

[Avenged7Fold]

Not even just an innocent persons life ruined but also a guilty persons family and friends. Let's face it, the type of people to do vigilante justice and publish the videos for views are not exactly the kind to be careful about spreading sensitive information

It is hard enough for family to move after a relative is convicted, it is impossible when social media doesn't give them peace and gives people ammunition to harass them.

I would be fine with vigilante justice if they worked with police, didn't disclose info to the public and didn't decide to start acting on their own but that isnt really vigilante justice at that point

 

[PiKe]

When they've come to meet an underage girl to engage in sex, or sent indecent images to the decoy, then there is no way you can plead they're innocent.

Filthy ******** that need exposing.

 

[Angilion]

"Man convicted after being caught by paedophile hunters" http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-38265691

There are more, but I'm to busy to give you a right spanking

So you have one report of one case in which the evidence might have been of some relevance.

How many innocent people would you accept being tortured to death for that one conviction? And yes, I am expecting an answer to that question because you know that people being tortured to death is the inevitable (and desired) result of vigilantism and that their guilt is presumed.

You ignore innocent people being tortured to death, cite one report of one case in which the evidence might have been of some relevance and you regard that as "a right spanking". Do you really want to portray yourself as being that sociopathic?

 

[deuse]

Not even just an innocent persons life ruined but also a guilty persons family and friends. Let's face it, the type of people to do vigilante justice and publish the videos for views are not exactly the kind to be careful about spreading sensitive information

It is hard enough for family to move after a relative is convicted, it is impossible when social media doesn't give them peace and gives people ammunition to harass them.

I would be fine with vigilante justice if they worked with police, didn't disclose info to the public and didn't decide to start acting on their own but that isnt really vigilante justice at that point

You never read the whole thread again..oh dear. The police are going to work with them and a judge said "carry on doing it" to the Paedophile hunters that is

 

[deuse]

So you have one report of one case in which the evidence might have been of some relevance.

I suggest you read a few posts up and what I said. You are embarrassing yourself now.

 

[Scort]

IMO there aren't enough police, this is part of the problem really..

In reality, you could have real police officers, or a specialist branch of "enforcement officers" whatever you want to call them, doing this exact same job - baiting paedophiles/child groomers/etc into meeting up, where they're then dealt with. The main difference is that it's a professional outfit operating undercover, regulated, trained and paid - rather than a bunch of blokes running around in custom printed T Shirts with "BARRYS NONCE BASHERS LTD" written on them, whilst brandishing their phone cameras.

Where frontline services are being endlessly cut, fewer police, fewer backend staff, with government ministers endlessly manipulating targets and statistics to simultaneously save money and improve service, to me the focus isn't on trying to keep the public safe, it's about people government ministers keeping their jobs, rather than coming up with solutions.

Ask yourself this, if these naughty old men were evading tax, rather than grooming children - how long do you think it would be before their doors were being smashed down?

Couldn't agree more - also, got an actual 'lol' when I read BARRYS NONCE BASHERS LTD

 

[Avenged7Fold]

You never read the whole thread again..oh dear. The police are going to work with them and a judge said "carry on doing it" to the Paedophile hunters that is

Not referring to your article but more to posts about amateurs doing it and whacking it on the internetz. I already stated that if handled correctly, i am absolutely fine with it.

 

[Scort]

Nvm got it

;P

 

[deuse]

Not referring to your article but more to posts about amateurs doing it and whacking it on the internetz. I already stated that if handled correctly, i am absolutely fine with it.

Are you trying to get out of it again

 

[D.P.]

My opinion on this is they should be working with the police directly and not publicly outing them (innocent until proven guilty) and not posting these videos on [insert social media / video platform here] until these people are convicted.

This shouldn't be a form of 'entertainment'

This x1000

Cooperate with the police if they really want to do something. Colelct evidence and pass that on to the police to process.

 

[Felon]

This x1000

Cooperate with the police if they really want to do something. Colelct evidence and pass that on to the police to process.

I agree entirely, in a perfect world.

However, I strongly suspect if this happened that you could end up with something similar to the Cobra effect.

You have all these groups going out, baiting all of these people, collecting all of this 'evidence' and sending it to the police, however because it's all a; obtained under entrapment and b; collected in an amateur fashion (phone cameras, random text messages, etc) in the absence of a full blown confession on tape, it could actually be really hard to prove - in terms of seeing it to a conviction.

The end result could be that the whole idea gets outlawed and we end up with a worse problem than we had before.

 

[Efour]

Those guardians of the north videos are mental.
Proper bizzare. One guy looked about 18 tho.. is an 18 year old hooking up with a 15 year old really paedophilia? Technically yes but ?

 

[Malevolence]

Those guardians of the north videos are mental.
Proper bizzare. One guy looked about 18 tho.. is an 18 year old hooking up with a 15 year old really paedophilia? Technically yes but ?

Actually, technically it isn't. Paedophiles, by the very definition of the term, go after pre-pubescent children. A 15 year old,barring any medical conditions, is anything but pre-pubescent. I doubt that a 18 year old fella with a 15 year old girl is even ephebophilia given the age difference.

 

[Efour]

Well they nail a few guys in their videos for "flirting" for use of a better word, with a 15 year old.

 

[Deleted member 651465]

I worry about the cases which don’t end in success. For instance, how many child protection cases are made worse because of a snare gone-wrong?

Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to see the peados strung up by the balls but this trend of sensationalising things irks me.