Paedophile hunters

Roar87 said:
Yeah we should ban everything because of a few extreme examples. No more football because some people fight at games, no boxing because a few people have died. How about you consider the fact that actually, they'll maybe stop some very young girls and even boys being raped?
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And what happens if maybe 5% of the time they lynch the wrong person?

If you were arrested tonight because some mistake was made, you'd have a lawyer, you'd have an interview and a process to go through before being charged, and information being released to the press.

If these groups mistook you for someone else, or made some mistake (which has happened a number of times) whoever happens to be their target is ****** with very little options of
recourse

I think it's also fair to point out, that if you watch a lot of these videos and read the reports, the vigilantes themselves aren't exactly model citizens, they are in many cases total dross straight off Jeremy Kyle feeling like they have a bit of power, it's the last thing we need on the streets.
 
Screeeech said:
And what happens if maybe 5% of the time they lynch the wrong person?

If you were arrested tonight because some mistake was made, you'd have a lawyer, you'd have an interview and a process to go through before being charged, and information being released to the press.

If these groups mistook you for someone else, or made some mistake (which has happened a number of times) whoever happens to be their target is ****** with very little options of
recourse

I think it's also fair to point out, that if you watch a lot of these videos and read the reports, the vigilantes themselves aren't exactly model citizens, they are in many cases total dross straight off Jeremy Kyle feeling like they have a bit of power, it's the last thing we need on the streets.
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Case in point, this happened to my cousin. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/1647927.stm
 
Rincewindle said:
But they are not flirting with a 15 year old are they...

The 15 year olds in question are not real, they are creations made up in the minds of knuckle draggers who's only real intention is to set up a you tube channel, monetize it and make money from ''outing'' these guys.

As others have said on here the police themselves should be doing this.

If the ''Hunters'' had any real good intentions they would never post a video until after a conviction is secured, but they dont they post it up get the views and likes then move onto the next one.

You watch any of the same type of video the same theme runs through most of them.. guy gets chatting to a girl he thinks is 19.. why does he think she is 19 ? hmm maybe because she is in an adult chat room... it seems it is only later after the guy is well hooked does a 'oh im only 15'' casual comment is made. By then the meeting is already set up an ''barrys nonce bashers'' are all tooled up ready for the outing.

In my opinion these ''hunters'' dont stop the real pedo's one little bit, because they dont target the real ones. they target the half wits in internet chat rooms that think at age 44 you can still get it on with a 19 year old.
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well i completely and utterly agree with you. Its a sideshow freakshow setup.
 
deuse said:
"The video of Emery has since been handed to police. Emery has been convicted of attempting to meet a girl under the age of 16 following a trial at Southwark Crown Court. He is set to be sentenced on November 3. "

So you never read that.

"A man who was snared by self-styled paedophile hunters has been convicted of child sex offences."

You missed that one to....oh dear...denial is a strange beast.
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The media reports don't claim that the video is the cause of the conviction. But it might be, as I said before.

I know of one person that was killed but wasn't tortured to death.
"How many innocent people" one doesn't know if they are innocent till the facts are known.
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It's not surprising you don't know about them, since you don't care about innocent people being murdered. There have been more of them referred to in this thread than the number of convicted "paedophiles" (who were obviously not paedophiles) that you cite as your proof that it's worth any cost.

As I've said there are more but I can't be bothered to find them.
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I'm sure you can't. Just like you can't be bothered to ask the questions about how large a price you think should be paid in the suffering and death of innocent people in exchange for the possibility that a few people might be manipulated into something that is a long way from paedophilia but can be called that to make witch-hunters feel righteous. You don't know how many are killed because you don't care how many are killed, let alone how many have their lives ruined. Or, for that matter, how many actual paedophiles aren't convicted because amateur witch-hunters ruined a police investigation in order get some clicks on Youtube or "justify" an attack.
 
Woden said:
Case in point, this happened to my cousin. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/1647927.stm
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I want deuse, roar87 and anyone else who thinks any price is worth it, explicitly up to and including torture and murder, to stand behind that and tell Woden that the murder of his cousin was a cost worth paying for the possible chance that some people might be convicted of being talked into believing that a legal adult pretending to be a biological adult just under the age of legal adulthood is as mature as the legal adult they actually are and of acting on that belief.
 
Angilion said:
I want deuse, roar87 and anyone else who thinks any price is worth it, explicitly up to and including torture and murder, to stand behind that and tell Woden that the murder of his cousin was a cost worth paying for the possible chance that some people might be convicted of being talked into believing that a legal adult pretending to be a biological adult just under the age of legal adulthood is as mature as the legal adult they actually are and of acting on that belief.
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Wow, that's one long sentence. I'd probably agree with you if I could understand what you were saying.
 
deuse said:
Could you link me to the others please.
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Just a few off the top of my head:

Darren Kelly:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...thought-he-was-a-paedophile-who-a6981756.html

Stephen Hunking:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/1647927.stm

Then there's the only one that got any significant media attention because the victim was dragged into the street and burned and he was handicapped and the police admitted failing to do what they could and should have done to prevent the murder after he asked for protection. Had he not been handicapped and had the police not known about the risk to him beforehand and done nothing about it, the story wouldn't have got much media coverage.

Bijan Ebrahimi:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-25139185

And then of course there are all the cases where the attacker was more clever/less honest about it and didn't physically attack the victim but was still somehow stupid enough to get caught. Like this one, for example:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...-falsely-accused-him-of-abusing-daughter.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...-falsely-accused-him-of-abusing-daughter.html
Normally, of course, they'd get away with an attack like that. With presumption of guilt and the difficulty of proving innocence (which would widely be ignored anyway) and the ability to spread the accusation across the world in seconds, even if someone is able to somehow prove their innocence later it's too late.
 
Roar87 said:
Yeah we should ban everything because of a few extreme examples. No more football because some people fight at games, no boxing because a few people have died. How about you consider the fact that actually, they'll maybe stop some very young girls and even boys being raped?
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How many very young girls or boys get groomed online and are able to go out on their own and meet a paedophile?
The offenders that tend to target this group would rarely try to meet them, but get them to perform for them. These hunters can't trick the most serious offenders as an adult can't make themselves look like a prepubescent child. This is why they pretend to be 13-15 year olds.
Only if they had high end resource like that police operation that used a VR child to catch them.

Also it's a well know fact that most paedophilia is perpetrated by family members. These actions are not likely to save many real victims, but could be wasting limited police resources that would be better used finding the perverts that have committed offences against real children.
 
Sasahara said:
How many very young girls or boys get groomed online and are able to go out on their own and meet a paedophile?
The offenders that tend to target this group would rarely try to meet them, but get them to perform for them. These hunters can't trick the most serious offenders as an adult can't make themselves look like a prepubescent child. This is why they pretend to be 13-15 year olds.
Only if they had high end resource like that police operation that used a VR child to catch them.

Also it's a well know fact that most paedophilia is perpetrated by family members. These actions are not likely to save many real victims, but could be wasting limited police resources that would be better used finding the perverts that have committed offences against real children.
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Right. If a party promised that they would increase income tax enough to allocate a significant amount to the police for going after actual child abusers, I'd consider that a significant point in that party's favour when it was time for me to vote. Increasing approval of vigilantism that never targets child abusers and will always result in the ruination and death of innocent people might well be cheaper but it's the wrong thing to do.
 
There seems to be a epidemic at the moment, with American Secondary School teachers, requiring teenage penis to function.

I just hope people here realise that women are more then capable of being Pedo's
 
Angilion said:
Just a few off the top of my head:

Darren Kelly:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...thought-he-was-a-paedophile-who-a6981756.html

Stephen Hunking:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/1647927.stm

Then there's the only one that got any significant media attention because the victim was dragged into the street and burned and he was handicapped and the police admitted failing to do what they could and should have done to prevent the murder after he asked for protection. Had he not been handicapped and had the police not known about the risk to him beforehand and done nothing about it, the story wouldn't have got much media coverage.

Bijan Ebrahimi:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-25139185

And then of course there are all the cases where the attacker was more clever/less honest about it and didn't physically attack the victim but was still somehow stupid enough to get caught. Like this one, for example:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...-falsely-accused-him-of-abusing-daughter.html
Normally, of course, they'd get away with an attack like that. With presumption of guilt and the difficulty of proving innocence (which would widely be ignored anyway) and the ability to spread the accusation across the world in seconds, even if someone is able to somehow prove their innocence later it's too late.
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Thank you.

I think it's best to agree to disagree :)
 
Am I the only one who has a real problem with the way the word paedophile is used?

In the title of this thread and throughout the thread it implies guilt. Guilt of being attracted to children, which in itself is in no way a crime. I'm not picking on the OP here or the individuals in the thread as this same trend can be seen everywhere.

I actually feel sorry for the inviduals who don't act on these urges as I wouldn't want to have all these desires i could never act on. I wouldn't even be able to speak to anyone about it as its such a loaded word. I'm not arguing that molesting children is ok before some moron takes offense with what i said and tries to strawman me but theres a huge difference between having urges and acting on them.
 
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