Between now and then

I think the Conservatives will remain in power until 2022, albeit perhaps not with TM at the helm. By then Labour as we know it won't exist. 'Government in waiting' they certainly are not - they are irreconcilably divided on the EU; Their core support north of the Midlands want out, the London luvvies want in. If they fail to take a position either way they will eventually crumble. If they do pick a direction, their support base collapses.
 
Diddums said:
Nail / head. Corbyn might have his heart in the right place but as the old saying goes, "nice guys finish last". We need someone with an iron clad resolve and the ability to tell the soft love-all folks to do one, for the greater good ofc.

Opening the borders is a good example. Merkel did it and look what happened. How's germany's future looking right now?
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Vote Trump :)
 
Perhaps we're missing the obvious, perhaps Maybot is already interviewing the next incompetent incumbent in private meetings.
Hmm, how many times has Murdoch been in meetings of late?

/shudder
 
Moses said:
Farage is far, far, far too divisive to be PM. It just won't happen. Even in 'anything can happen times'. Someone like Vince Cable is actually more of a possibility, to the extent it's actually foreseeable... albeit unlikely... basically there'd have to be a disastrous Brexit shambles (we've seen nothing yet! :p) followed by a broad centre + left coalition with him at the helm.
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I think we are most likely to see increasing division and events/factors that cause polarising and solidifiying of the position of different elements of society over the next few years - especially if we see harder times due to things like Brexit and the UK's eroding economic power in general.

Not sure we'll see Labour in government, but I wouldn't bet against it either - it would serve quite a few to try and manufacture a situation where another GE was forced, etc., it does worry me that there will be a swing that way especially as Labour are going hardcore after those that are worse off in society and then a swing back the other way when the realities of what Corbyn, McDonnell, etc. really want become apparent - sadly people it seems never learn.

Arazi said:
The thing is, he is the only one offering a direction, and i think direction is what people want, i think most of what is in their respective manifestos is not at the top of peoples minds, someone who offers the straightest\strong and reasonable direction will be who people vote for.
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I think you are right there - unfortunately as below Corbyn is in a position where he can promise the world and that is swinging a lot of people who aren't finding direction under the Tories.

sneakysnail said:
Just like their budgets when it comes to purposed policies. ;) I struggle to take corbyn seriously, having nice ideas is one thing but anyone can promise the world. He never seem to have a clue on how it's all going to be paid for. Just surface promises with little though and planning put into how it will be backed up.
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IMO it isn't so much they have no clue how to pay for them - explaining how they intend on paying for it wouldn't go hand in hand with the message they are pushing however.
 
Vonhelmet said:
Farage? There's more chance of me becoming PM.
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Generally I'd agree but if events like Brexit panned out towards the more extreme outcomes and caused things like general social unrest I think Farage would be in with a chance - he seems to manage ok at playing chaos to his own ends.
 
Moses said:
Just no. You can't be so polarising, and be so disliked, then be picked to lead so weird right wing coalition with enough support to form a government. YouGov have it as a solid ~70% of people don't like him, with two thirds of people really disliking him. He's popular amongst the hardcore, but doesn't have the breadth of appeal needed to be a unifying figure.
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Those that I know that voted slim leave are not likely to go near Farrage ever!
 
Moses said:
Just no. You can't be so polarising, and be so disliked, then be picked to lead so weird right wing coalition with enough support to form a government. YouGov have it as a solid ~70% of people don't like him, with two thirds of people really disliking him. He's popular amongst the hardcore, but doesn't have the breadth of appeal needed to be a unifying figure.
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Society is heading into a weird place right now - if things like Brexit cause widespread fracturing and unrest he might be able to solidify enough support from the hardcore while everyone else is so fragmented there isn't enough opposition. I'm looking more at the extreme side of it than the more likely outcomes but still.
 
LabR@t said:
Labour don't deserve to ever get into power again, austerity is the medicine for their ill managed run of power. The same as the 80's the Tories are vilified but they dragged this country out of the bottom and handed them a solid economy.
I think we need to get to a situation where the long term needs are met not 5 year plans designed around getting re-elected.
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This is how I feel, lots of short term goodies touted to win elections, it’s a race to the bottom.

I want a televised 2 hour PowerPoint presentation showing all the numbers and plans from each party. A team of independent experts from a range of disciplines should them pull the plan apart an fact check it In a follow up program. The main findings should then be put to the party and there should be a further follow up program so they can clarify.

In any other walk of life you have to present to the board and eXcpect to be grilled when launching a project. When it comes to democracy we treat it so frivolously it is sickening.

Other than that it feels to me like we are living at the end of history, I don’t mean that in an apocalyptic way I mean that nobody has any grand unifying ideas anymore. I mean labour are trying to go back in time to find their ideas (we already know those ideas don’t work) and the conservatives have no ideas at all. Society has basically been frozen in time since about 2007. Politician have just held the ship steady since then.
 
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I wouldn't vote labour as long as I've got a hole in my.. He promised everyone a million quid can't see how he will pay for it all
Can not stand TM. She has not got a clue and is totally spineless.
We need someone with some back bone and not some limp wristed lefty
 
Rroff said:
Society is heading into a weird place right now - if things like Brexit cause widespread fracturing and unrest he might be able to solidify enough support from the hardcore while everyone else is so fragmented there isn't enough opposition. I'm looking more at the extreme side of it than the more likely outcomes but still.
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I'm glad others see this.
 
MookJong said:
This is how I feel, lots of short term goodies touted to win elections, it’s a race to the bottom.

I want a televised 2 hour PowerPoint presentation showing all the numbers and plans from each party. A team of independent experts from a range of disciplines should them pull the plan apart an fact check it In a follow up program. The main findings should then be put to the party and there should be a further follow up program so they can clarify.

In any other walk of life you have to present to the board and eXcpect to be grilled when launching a project. When it comes to democracy we treat it so frivolously it is sickening.

Other than that it feels to me like we are living at the end of history, I don’t mean that in an apocalyptic way I mean that nobody has any grand unifying ideas anymore. I mean labour are trying to go back in time to find their ideas (we already know those ideas don’t work) and the conservatives have no ideas at all. Society has basically been frozen in time since about 2007. Politician have just held the ship steady since then.
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War, pandemic

These are the only great levelers left to reset/restart society.
 
Moses said:
We're talking negligible chances here. So small it's not worth even considering. It's on the level of saying Mr Blobby might come into politics and become PM [president of the united states] at the next election. He doesn't have the support necessary to give him control of enough seats to have the influence in coalition negotiations... on top of the fact a significant majority think he's a complete ****, so he's not going to be the unifying face of a coalition even though he doesn't bring a significant number of seats to the table. What's his route to power? Flesh it out.
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Agreed it is negligible - I have a hard time ruling out the extreme end of the spectrum though with the way things are at the moment.
 
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