Concerns that roads are being designed to INCREASE danger and accidents.

There are idiots in the council highways department everywhere.
In my part of Edinburgh it was decided to extend the pavements out at the junctions and also installed drop kerbs to make it easier for people with pushchairs ETC. what no one thought about was where was the rain water run going to go when access to roadside drains. The council blamed everything from the trees shedding leaves even though the trees had been there for decades to climate change.
it took around 3 years for them to admit the issue existed with absolutely no help from my useless councillors.
The images show the lake near my house but right along the main road there were large puddles caused by the stupidity of my local highways department. Not very surprising from a city that gave us the farce that is/was the trams.

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A lot of "odd" road designs are down to things like forward planning (doing the road prior to other changes that may be a year or more away due to scheduling), or to deliberately try and slow traffic down by making the driver feel less comfortable at doing the higher speeds (it's fun watching people crawl through a speed reduction/width restriction measure they put in on one of my local roads, it's wide enough for a transit but not for a HGV, yet you'll see people in everything from SUV's to Micra's slow to <5mph to go through it, whilst the better drivers will do it at the limit with ease).

There are some stupid mistakes, but I'd think most of the time there will be a logical reason, but unless you've got the plans and background information on it you won't know them (in the same way the humble traffic light has a set of variables that are used to work out timings).



asim18 said:
So are we essentially playing the mental health card?

Someone designs a cycle lane through 2 lamp posts and we're saying there's nothing to see here because the person in charge is stupid/mental issues?

If this pillock has mental health issues maybe he should be sectioned instead of letting him get away with designing roads that could have KILLED an innocent driver last night.

Anyway who is in-charge of this? Secretary of State for Transport? Or is it just a more localised mental case?
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*watches the joke go so far over Asim's head that it's now become a satellite above him*
 
From what I have seen a lot is down to senior citizens nowadays. May sound harsh but the road layouts, roundabouts are completely different to when a lot of them started driving.

Put it this way I have been driving now for 16 years and since then the driving test has changed and before I was driving my mum told me her theory test was literally to read a number plate on a car in the distance, I don’t think that helps I know young kids get a bad press but I think they have it harder and how many times do we see older people driving down roads the wrong way.

I’m not having a pop or being ageist but I think it should be looked at more, sorry for the long post :)
 
Aneskimo said:
I’m not having a pop or being ageist but I think it should be looked at more, sorry for the long post :)
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Relatively short post IMO. I am also an aging driver (65) and have 47 years and about a million miles of experience. Regularly test myself on theory and get ^95%.

Anyway back to OP.

Another example, planting an ivy hedge right up to the give way line at a roundabout on the central reserve, forcing drivers to stop rather than give way.
 
Aneskimo said:
From what I have seen a lot is down to senior citizens nowadays. May sound harsh but the road layouts, roundabouts are completely different to when a lot of them started driving.

Put it this way I have been driving now for 16 years and since then the driving test has changed and before I was driving my mum told me her theory test was literally to read a number plate on a car in the distance, I don’t think that helps I know young kids get a bad press but I think they have it harder and how many times do we see older people driving down roads the wrong way.

I’m not having a pop or being ageist but I think it should be looked at more, sorry for the long post :)
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Being able to see the prescribed distance has always been a requirement before an examiner will get in the car with you. It's never been the case that the theory part was being able to read a number plate.
Before the theory became a separate test a driver would be quizzed on the Highway Code at the end of the practical test, if you didn't know the answers to about 4+ random HC questions (although one would invariably be a braking distance) then it didn't matter how well you'd driven you'd have been failed.
 
nkata said:
Regularly test myself on theory and get ^95%.
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Sure you may get above that percentage like many would but there are two parts in getting a licence a theory and a practical. Like I said the road layouts have changed, multi lane roundabouts can be a scary place for many a driver and this is the practical part where that 5% you may of missed on the theory can cause serious consequences, which is why I suggested looking at a full retest not just say one part would maybe help :)
 
It's been happening for years. In Plymouth, they decided to remove subways and bridges and replace them with surface crossings to improve road safety...

Think that through for a moment.
 
Sounds like incompetence to me - they spent nearly a year doing a junction near me with massive disruption only to find that they'd forgotten to plan for powering the street lights and had to dig some of it up again to implement the underground cables and another couple of weeks disruption. Irony that largely it came down to cheaping out resulted in them having to run a generator on site for 6 months to power the lighting which probably wasn't cheap.
 
The main road where I live has just been a normal road for decades, plenty of room both sides.
Last year they decided to do a similar thing to what Asim is saying giving lots of room one side and little room the other and sticking bits out to slow down traffic.
I know daren't ride my bike down a certain part of it and ride on the pavement.

By using Street View and going from 2009 maps to 2016 you can see the difference - https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.9...zA!2e0!5s20160901T000000!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

You can't even park cars in those parking zones because they aren't wide enough.
 
Aneskimo said:
Sure you may get above that percentage like many would but there are two parts in getting a licence a theory and a practical. Like I said the road layouts have changed, multi lane roundabouts can be a scary place for many a driver and this is the practical part where that 5% you may of missed on the theory can cause serious consequences, which is why I suggested looking at a full retest not just say one part would maybe help :)
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So, you got 100%?

Yes road layouts change, road traffic increases, but the main accident causers on the roads are still under 25 year olds. Road experience trumps any amount of theory testing.

Make road testing compulsory OK, but for all as there are many poor drivers at any age range. Enough said.
 
nkata said:
So, you got 100%?

Yes road layouts change, road traffic increases, but the main accident causers on the roads are still under 25 year olds. Road experience trumps any amount of theory testing.

Make road testing compulsory OK, but for all as there are many poor drivers at any age range. Enough said.
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No I didn't get 100% but I am 34 years old and past my test 16 years ago so I'm more clued up on newer roads than say somebody who is 70 odd years old.

Yes anybody can have an accident but the point I was making is that maybe a young driver may have an accident because they don't have a lot of experience in wet/snow conditions and an older driver could because these new road layouts are not something they were not tested with back in the day, which is what we are discussing in road design/layout?
 
I don't think they do it on purpose. It's just that we seem to have absolute morons in charge of road design now.

I think at one time they employed proper architects to design the roads. But now, to bring it in line with how the rest of the council offices operate, they just give a monkey some crayons.

Also they now seem to be using the worst quality tarmac they can find.
 
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Scrutinize said:
Are you trolling or just stupid?
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No, I'm not trolling, I am using some hyperbole.

If you actually read the examples in the thread you would understand why I posted that at the start of the post.

ANY person who thinks TWO lamp posts erected right in the middle of a 2 foot wide cycle lane is anything but increasing risk and potentially endangering life, must, be stupid.

But yeah, it's very nice of you to completely ignore the reasoning behind my hyperbolic exclamation, and then ask someone if they're "Trolling or stupid", despite the fact that I managed to correctly risk assess the danger of a road on which an accident has ACTUALLY ended up taking place in the EXACT manner which I imagined and predicted. I actually predicted this incident and it actually happened, yet you are sat here asking me if I am trolling or stupid? Truly amazing, thank you.

Some of the people who have unrestricted access to the internet never fail to amaze me. And I don't mean that in a bad way. It is actually extremely interesting to witness such low levels of cognition and reasoning, as well as such abundance of ignorance. Man the internet was so much better back in the 90s when people with an actual interest in the internet were on the internet, meaning relatively smarter people would be found on the internet, now it's just full of trolls, wannabe comedians and everyday buffoons who go on discussion forums to do nothing except exhibit extreme psychological defence mechanisms with no interest in any reasonable discussion whatsoever.

There really should be an IQ/cognition test before letting people have access to the internet.... Unfortunately here we are, a bunch of stupid people, calling each other stupid, while even more stupid people in charge are trying to ban things like porn, encryption and finally the whole internet, all while stupid people are eating up boatloads of propaganda and bickering amongst each other, completely blind to the stupid reality of the world.

What a time to be alive when a person who is concerned about things being done wrong, is labelled a "Troll" and asked if he's "stupid". Man what a bunch of completely brain washed subservient sheep society has become.
 
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