Anyone Voting in the Catalan Referendum?
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The SNP were only in a position to do so by being the majority government at Holyrood - if that never happened there would have never have been a vote legal or otherwise, but during that time if the UK government repeatedly said that there would never be a vote then the SNP could easily have held a vote regardless. But the UK government aren't stupid.
The Catalan's are in exactly the same position as Scotland was, but are being blocked by the Spanish government who have form for not believing in self-determination.
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Try and keep it recent mate, that was 1916. We're dealing with modern political process here.
LOL, you don't think riot police beating them up is repressing them? OK then. You might want to check the definition of that word tho. Just saying.
Get your chronology for arguments right mate. They held an illegal vote vecause of repression. Repression from the future (arguably just upholding the law, see what happens when you obstruct a police officer here).
So what? It is the principle I'm questioning - are you going to answer or do you just want to dodge the question?
we had wide scale rioting only a few years ago and no where near that level of police violence or injuries
there is plenty of footage of police just laying into peaceful protestors with batons, grabbing women by the hair etc.. no identifying numbers for the individual officers either ergo little accountability
it isn't really comparable - the Spanish are quite backwards compared to us both in the anti democratic stance of their government re: Catalonia, Gibraltar etc.. (even in their policies towards Kosovo too) and the heavy handed nature of their police which we've generally ignored when it is drunken British tourists or football hooligans and fans but which is getting international attention now
Over a thousand people arrested from memory with significant jail terms.
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3000+ people arrested and 1000+ charged.
And what about the violence?
Clearly from this point forward they are being repressed. They know that they will be denied a legitimate referendum, and that any attempt to go against the will of Madrid will be met with riot police and beatings.
Repression certainly true going forwards. And they are certainly being subdued and prevented from progressing in any way with a pro-independence agenda.
The stupidity of this is that, should reports be accurate, only ~40% of people supported indy prior to today. You have to imagine that, thanks to Madrid's handling of this situation, they may have pushed a few more towards independence.
There really is no excuse for the police response. It's something you'd expect from Putin, not a western European nation in 2017.
what part of an "illegal" vote justifies beating the living **** out if people?
seriously?
they're kicking **** out of firemen jist trying to stop the violence for ****s sake its something I'd expect to see in Africa or the middle East noy europe.
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I'll dodge the question, thanks. I'll also be dodging questions on the American civil war and the Battle of the Boyne.
completely missing the point - the arrests were a good thing tbh.. as were the swift prosecutions... it is irrelevant to the point I was making with regard to police brutality
I didn't ask about either of those, I did however question your dubious principles/argument which clearly don't stand up and can't be progressed very far else you'd not be scared to answer.
just saying something is 'illegal' and being unable to justify the stance from an moral/ethical perspective any further than that is pretty weak
They aren't randomly beating people. Have you seen what happens in demostrations in the UK where people don't listed to police officers? Like I said obstruvting officers in the UK will get yoy arrested.
Here they were just facing much larger numbers.
haha if Putin dis this if say Siberia tried for independence you can bet the people in here supporting Madrid would be saying whst an atrocity it was and calling for UN action
yes arrested, not beaten for sitting on the floor
what!? have you not seen the videos?
there's a guy sitting not he floor who then gets absolutley leatherd and people being beaten as they run
they are 100% randomly beating people.
I have never seen the UK police start bottoming the **** out of firemen or people sat on the floor.
as you say in the UK it might get you arrested not beaten
If police officers here were videoed throwing women down stairs they would end up getting sacked and prosecuted themselves. It just isn't British police policy to go in smacking skulls with batons and rubber bullets on sit down peaceful protestors no matter how you try and argue otherwise.