Mass Shooting in Las Vegas

[dowie]

That was just an example for your heavy traffic argument and it served its purpose nicely.

well it doesn't at all because they don't have airpot level security with X-ray machines etc.. and the reason for that is pretty clear

Vegas hotels do have metal detectors as I've already demonstrated (you were wrong)

Anyhow the Wynn Hotel Vegas too

some do, again you're talking about something more akin to London nightclub security than airport security,(in fact not even that as it is just a general surveillance feature, no one is walking through a visible gate one by one, potentially setting off an alarm and then getting a pat down) and it isn't standard and thus the comment still stands - it isn't surprising at all that they didn't have any at the hotel concerned - I don't see what is so hard to grasp there

 

[TJM]

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Brushed under the carpet a bit? Is it a coincidence?

Is what a coincidence? Please avoid the usual conspiracist crap of 'just putting things out there' and not saying exactly what you mean. For example:

'Facts'

So he might or might not have been employed by someone who was a Federal employee. Why is that interesting or important?

 

[Craterloads]

well it doesn't at all because they don't have airpot level security with X-ray machines etc.. and the reason for that is pretty clear




some do, again you're talking about something more akin to London nightclub security than airport security,(in fact not even that as it is just a general surveillance feature, no one is walking through a visible gate one by one, potentially setting off an alarm and then getting a pat down) and it isn't standard and thus the comment still stands - it isn't surprising at all that they didn't have any at the hotel concerned - I don't see what is so hard to grasp there

Talking metal detectors which was the original query, airports do and have lots of people, which makes your argument of because it's busy invalid. Airport level of security is another issue.

You said it isn't all all now shifted to isn't that common after being shown incorrect which is it? I've named you 3 hotels that do already and maybe others do too but like to keep security information private for security reasons. London night club security is fine, I wasn't suggesting airport style security.

it would be a pretty big reason actually for the casino owners... anyway feel free to correct me on the slim chance that they're installed but I suspect they won't be any time soon

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[Tefal]

/stupid but interesting question;

What will become of the hotel? usually after these sorts of shootings (Sandy hook / Orlando nightclub) the buildings involved are bulldozed or shut down, it's a huge hotel, but who on earth is going to want to check in there now.. ?

no one died in the hotel except him so nothing mucj

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Brushed under the carpet a bit? Is it a coincidence?

.random bunch if links to what?

 

[dowie]

Talking metal detectors which was the original query, airports do and have lots of people, which makes your argument of because it's busy invalid. Airport level of security is another issue.

no it doesn't... as pointed out airports often have queues and casinos/hotels have people coming in and out all day

You said it isn't all all now shifted to isn't that common after being shown incorrect which is it? I've named you 3 hotels that do already and maybe others do too but like to keep security information private for security reasons. London night club security is fine, I wasn't suggesting airport style security.

not really - I was talking about it being standard - the comment was that someone was surprised that the hotel didn't have them, it isn't surprising as they generally don't - you've highlighted a hotel having a trial run using them and another hotel where the owner has talked up the security a bit and mentioned having hidden metal detectors... ergo these are not even scanning people individually but just used as part of the general surveillance than all casinos have

 

[Trusty]

Is what a coincidence? Please avoid the usual conspiracist crap of 'just putting things out there' and not saying exactly what you mean

What is conspiracy? Those are facts I've just linked you to. This tells us of the people who he was around. It's not hard to tell what my position is, this looks like it might terrorism to me, we don't know for sure but there's no harm in researching and finding out facts.

 

[Tefal]

It's not just chat, though, is it? It's wild, rabid speculation. .

so chat then.

 

[Tefal]

It is somewhat surprising that a hotel in vegas doesn't have metal detectors, as has been said.

why is it?

I've never seen a hotel anywhere have metal detectors tbh.

they'd be fairly useless too as literally every single person would set them off.

u less you have an x-ray machine to check bags every wheeled suit case will activate a metal detector

 

[Trusty]

Me neither, very rare

 

[Craterloads]

no it doesn't... as pointed out airports often have queues and casinos/hotels have people coming in and out all day

not really - I was talking about it being standard - the comment was that someone was surprised that the hotel didn't have them, it isn't surprising as they generally don't - you've highlighted a hotel having a trial run using them and another hotel where the owner has talked up the security a bit and mentioned having hidden metal detectors... ergo these are not even scanning people individually but just used as part of the general surveillance than all casinos have

And like I said airports run fine with, as you stated with much higher levels of security than simple metal detectors, with greater numbers of people. Hotels should manage just fine with just metal detectors then, as demonstrated by the numerous hotels that employ them without too much issues it seems.

Yes they are non intrusive, I'm pretty sure I mentioned that before even more surprising more aren't using them.

 

[Trusty]

.random bunch if links to what?

What do you mean? It shows the type of person Marilou Danley was, no?

 

[dowie]

And like I said airports run fine with, as you stated with much higher levels of security than simple metal detectors, with greater numbers of people. Hotel should manage just fine with just metal detectors then, as demonstrated by the numerous hotels that employ them without too much issues it seems.

but they don't though - airports often have queues of people and these casinos will have people popping in and out rather frequently... do you not read, I've literally pointed that out three times now?

Yes they are non intrusive, I'm pretty sure I mentioned that before even more surprising more aren't using them.

exactly... they're in no way comparable to airport scanners or even the security at nightclubs where people are scanned and patted down individually - you've basically linked to the owner of the most exclusive resort on the strip talking up his security measures a bit and mentioning his former marines and navy seals etc.. too. This cherry picking has naff all relevance to the original point that it is not exactly surprising that the hotel in question doesn't have metal detectors as they are generally not used - cherry picking some examples of where they are used doesn't change that. Likewise I wouldn't be surprised if they (a mid range MGM property) don't have a seal team on standby too regardless of Steve Wynn's claims of what he has on his high end property.

 

[Nexus]

Hotels I've been to in Mumbai do, they have full on baggage x-ray scanners and walk through body scanners at the doors. They also tend to have people checking any cars going onto the properties as well.

As others have pointed out though, I can't see that happening in Las Vegas because it reduces the footfall that the owners rely on. You only need to look at the fact that you can smoke inside casinos to see how strong they are at resisting change that would potentially lose them customers.

 

[Rifte]

no it doesn't... as pointed out airports often have queues and casinos/hotels have people coming in and out all day

100% correct, in airports people tend to move one way. From check in to their gate, passing security along the way.

In a hotel people are in and out all day, it would be impractical to introduce any airport style security.

On the note of metal detectors in Vegas Hotels I have been there twice in the past 12 months and stayed in two different hotels. The MGM and New York New York, I honestly don't remember there being any type of security at all in either of them to get to my room. If they did I didn't notice it, so it probably wasn't manned.

 

[TJM]

What is conspiracy? Those are facts I've just linked you to. This tells us of the people who he was around. It's not hard to tell what my position is, this looks like it might terrorism to me, we don't know for sure but there's no harm in researching and finding out facts.

What do you think was the motivation? What facts can be conclusively established from a screenshot apparently taken from Facebook? How is there 'no harm' in attempting to implicate a man in this massacre who has not been arrested?

 

[Rifte]

Hotels I've been to in Mumbai do, they have full on baggage x-ray scanners and walk through body scanners at the doors. They also tend to have people checking any cars going onto the properties as well.

I live in India and the security at five star hotels is a joke and a fraud. It's there to give the illusion to its guests that it's safe but in reality the checks are not existent.

It's a box ticking exercise by the staff.i have yet to be seriously checked like I am at an airport.

And with the car checking? All they do is ask you to pop the bonnet or the boot and if you are lucky run a mirror under your car....some might even have a dog. The interior of your car is never checked...like never. So in short if you want to smuggle a firearm into an Indian hotel, put it under your seat or in your glove box.

 

[Trusty]

What do you think was the motivation? What facts can be conclusively established from a screenshot apparently taken from Facebook? How is there 'no harm' in attempting to implicate a man in this massacre who has not been arrested?

Jesus, I'm not implicating him. Stephen Paddock murdered those people, Marilou Danley is married to Geary Danley. You have in the video above the sheriff saying they are trying to track down Marilou, why do you think they want to speak to her?

 

[Craterloads]

but they don't though - airports often have queues of people and these casinos will have people popping in and out rather frequently... do you not read, I've literally pointed that out three times now?



exactly... they're in no way comparable to airport scanners or even the security at nightclubs where people are scanned and patted down individually - you've basically linked to the owner of the most exclusive resort on the strip talking up his security measures a bit and mentioning his former marines and navy seals etc.. too. This cherry picking has naff all relevance to the original point that it is not exactly surprising that the hotel in question doesn't have metal detectors as they are generally not used - cherry picking some examples of where they are used doesn't change that. Likewise I wouldn't be surprised if they (a mid range MGM property) don't have a seal team on standby too regardless of Steve Wynn's claims of what he has on his high end property.

They don't need to be comparable to airport security I've stated this three times, the measures I've mentioned are not intrusive and apt for these kinds of threats. You said they aren't used at all and to comeback and correct you when they were, I've shown you they all ready are. The hotel in question is high profile as it gets, I'm very suprised they didn't have even basic security like metal detectors. Airports deal with many more people and they operate smoothly, just fine with much stricter security, they have queues because it is much stricter so hotels just having scanners shouldn't be a issue.

Anyhow time for bed, I suspect we will see stricter security across vegas as with what happened with Mumbai hotels after their attack. I can see metal detectors being part of it.

 

[dowie]

They don't need to be comparable to airport security I've stated this three times, the measures I've mentioned are not intrusive and apt for these kinds of threats. You said they aren't used at all and to comeback and correct you when they were, I've shown you they all ready are. The hotel in question is high profile as it gets, I'm very suprised they didn't have even basic security like metal detectors. Airports deal with many more people and they operate smoothly, just fine with much stricter security, they have queues because it is much stricter so hotels just having scanners shouldn't be a issue.

Again I was referring to them being used in general and it not being surprising that a given hotel wouldn't have them - that's debatable re: airports, people only use them at the start of the trip and queue at security etc.. that simply isn't practical in a hotel setting like Vegas with people going back and forth all day ergo the only thing you've found so far with your cherry picking is some half arsed implementation at the Wynn that doesn't even check people individually and some trial at a no name hotel.

 

[Craterloads]

I'm sure I also mentioned the stratosphere hotel too?