Mass Shooting in Las Vegas

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harry5522 said:
What absolute tosh. As someone whom has been a member of this countrys armed forces and due to this have fired a wide variety of platforms i can assure you that you will not consistently get muzzle flashes. Firearms, especially rifles have for a long time been designed to eliminate as many of them as possible by means of chokes/better gas regulation systems.

Please do some research into topics you don't know about before talking out of your ****.

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so you're saying one weapon with the same ammo would perform randomly. okay. lots of weapons use gas blowback, doesn't stop a muzzle flash depending on loads etc.
 
MookJong said:
Anyone else heard this. I mean what the actual ****. I guess a lot of these were hand guns but there must be plenty CCTV of him going back and forward bringing these into the hotel.
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It's a hotel, you just walk on through with several large suitcases and nobody bats an eye. They don't even have to be that large, assault rifles break down quite compact.
 
AK47: legal. Bump stock: legal. High capacity mag: legal.

America: 'Another shooting, how did it happen? The mystery continues!'

Orionaut said:
As in the UK with firearms, The main message isn't so much more laws but rather better enforcement of the laws that already exist.
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...and better, more consistent laws in the first place.
 
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From what has been reported he had bomb making materials in the boot of his car, so assuming guns were banned in the USA and he'd killed 100 people and injured 200 with a nail bomb instead where would the blame have layed?
 
mmj_uk said:
so assuming guns were banned in the USA and he'd killed 100 people and injured 200 with a nail bomb instead where would the blame have layed?
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The blame would lie entirely with him, just as it does now. Nobody is to blame for this event except the guy who did it.
 
mmj_uk said:
Venezuela banned private gun ownership in 2012, fast forward to this year people are dying in the streets at the hands of their socialist government.
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That’s not a very sensible comparison.

Look at Australia. Before Australia brought in gun control, there were 13 mass shooting in 18 years. Since tightening ownership rules, there have been zero in 20 years. The overal homocide rate has also dropped significantly.

But the debate shouldn’t just be about gun control. Mental health care is also a massive issue in America.
 
Orionaut said:
The thing that I always find interesting when this sort of thing happens is that despite the fact that firearms are readily available in the US, and that every society has its share of crazies. (And that US mental health care is actually pretty poor)

In the great scheme of things, This sort of event is actually astonishingly rare.

There is an adage that states "Hard cases cause bad law". The meaning of which is that one should not create new laws, especially ones that might adversely affect hundreds of millions of people, in response to rare and isolated tragedies.

The 7/7 bombings caused casualties similar to this mass killing (Both deaths and injured).

The bombs used were made of flour and hair dye (Basically)

Of course a US mass killer will favour firearms because of their ready availability. But anybody suitable motivated can find equally destructive alternatives if S/He really wants too.

The case for stronger firearms control in response to this is slightly stronger than the idea of the UK introducing controls on Food and Hair dye in response to 7/7, but not much stronger.

As in the UK with firearms, The main message isn't so much more laws but rather better enforcement of the laws that already exist.
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Food and hair dye have a lot of virtuous uses other than being used to kill people. Assault weapons do not.

And it's really not a rare event. Yes this one is exceptionally bad, but something like 30,000 people die each year in the US due to firearms related violence.
 
The real sad thing about events like these is in a few days after we have had the usual comments on the horror, the tragedy, the terrible consequences of these types of events it will be business as usual and 33,000 Americans will continue to die each year from guns.
 
Potentially stupid question, but..***If*** it's discovered that he wrote a manifesto in which he stated his reasons for carrying out this atrocity, (for the sake of an example, lets say he held a grievance against the Nevada Gaming Commission and was wanting his actions to affect visitor numbers to the casino/s) would that then make it an act of terrorism? Genuinely curious.
 
Sutters said:
the murder rate is actually much higher now in the uk than when we had easier access to guns.
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When was that exactly? 1968, 1988 or maybe 1997 was when pistols were properly banned because of Dunblane.

Our population has grown by 7 million people since Dunblane, and we do have one of the lowest rates of murder involving firearms in the World.
 
Thing is most countries with lax gun laws don't have stupidly high gun crime rates. But the US and a few others are just off the scale. It's the mentality that is the problem.
 
V_R said:
Jeez, that picture that's topping Reddit at the moment.... :(
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Yea it's not pleasant.

There's talk of a video on there where you see someone getting shot who's trying to help someone already down? I don't want to see it, but it's awful.

Stupid country
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XeNoN89 said:
It's amazing how many people don't know what the word terrorist actually means.

Seeing so many people saying 'look terrorists are white too!'

If this wasn't politically or religiously motivated it's not terrorism, it's mass murder.
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You should do better research or you will continue to make yourself look very foolish!
In Nevada where this mass shooting took place, the definition of terrorism is exactly what occurred!

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