Mass Shooting in Las Vegas

jsmoke · 3 Oct 2017 at 11:35

Why do so many people feel they have the right to dictate what Americans do. Their country and laws.

daz · 3 Oct 2017 at 11:36

I'm not even completely anti-gun - can see why some people might want a pistol for personal protection or a shotgun for hunting etc, but seriously, something like an AR15?!
They have already drawn a line with the right to bear arms at various points because I'm assuming it's not legal to own things like missiles?

Tefal · 3 Oct 2017 at 11:36

mmj_uk said:
Venezuela banned private gun ownership in 2012, fast forward to this year people are dying in the streets at the hands of their socialist government.

We should be more worried about the recent explosion in acid attacks and terrorism in London rather than a single incident called the worst incident in US history at the hands of a single nutter.

it was day 275 of the year and the 273rd mass shooting this year....

mean ehile the rest of the developed world isnt having civil wars

jsmoke said:
Why do so many people feel they have the right to dictate what Americans do. Their country and laws.

I suppose because Americans feel they have the right to dictate what other countries do

tbh though this is like watching a mother drag her screaming kid through the aisles of the super market as it throws things into the floor.

you roll your eyes and comment to your mate but you don't really care

kedge said:
Oxymoron.

how is it? serial killers aren't usually trying to change the political world

C.R.A.Z.Y · 3 Oct 2017 at 11:39

jsmoke said:
Why do so many people feel they have the right to dictate what Americans do. Their country and laws.

What a place like Las Vegas that is plugged and promoted for tourism and paying guests from other countries ???
I think tourists have every right to ask the place they are being encouraged to visit and spend money at is at the very least SAFE and unlikely to get yourself shot in the head :rolleyes:

Vonhelmet · 3 Oct 2017 at 11:41

jsmoke said:
Why do so many people feel they have the right to dictate what Americans do. Their country and laws.

I don't want to see people die for stupid reasons anywhere in the world, America included.

Tefal · 3 Oct 2017 at 11:41

dirtychinchilla said:
It's the choice of weapons, the quantity of them, and the quantity of ammo that the guy had that they should be worried about. I don't understand the necessity to have mass-murder machines available to the public. Guns are required, apparently, in America for hunting and self-defence. I don't understand how any of what this guy had fell into either of those categories.

The way Trump deals with these issues is laughable. It's just typical of him to give such a shoddy response. The whole of America isn't looking to Twitter to see what their president thinks.

what trump said is basicsly exactly the same as what Obama said.

what cha hes after all the massacres under obama? nothing.

promising a change you csnt deliver is not helpful.

as for the quantity of guns etc its simmilar to somone here having a collection of cars. unusual but common enough that it doesn't raise eyebrows

Orionaut said:
The thing that I always find interesting when this sort of thing happens is that despite the fact that firearms are readily available in the US, and that every society has its share of crazies. (And that US mental health care is actually pretty poor)

In the great scheme of things, This sort of event is actually astonishingly rare.

There is an adage that states "Hard cases cause bad law". The meaning of which is that one should not create new laws, especially ones that might adversely affect hundreds of millions of people, in response to rare and isolated tragedies.

The 7/7 bombings caused casualties similar to this mass killing (Both deaths and injured).

The bombs used were made of flour and hair dye (Basically)

Of course a US mass killer will favour firearms because of their ready availability. But anybody suitable motivated can find equally destructive alternatives if S/He really wants too.

The case for stronger firearms control in response to this is slightly stronger than the idea of the UK introducing controls on Food and Hair dye in response to 7/7, but not much stronger.

As in the UK with firearms, The main message isn't so much more laws but rather better enforcement of the laws that already exist.

rare? on average they have nearly 1 a day every year....

this is the 273rd this year alone

daz · 3 Oct 2017 at 11:49

Tefal said:
what cha hes after all the massacres under obama? nothing.
promising a change you csnt deliver is not helpful.

As I understand it, he basically despaired every time there was a shooting. He wanted to impose stricter limits and restrictions on these types of weapons after every mass shooting. I think I saw a press conference where he was visible fed up of apologising and not being able to make any meaningful change in the laws.

Barack Obama had his moment in June 2016, following the Orlando Pulse nightclub attack that left 49 dead.

This massacre is … a further reminder of how easy it is for someone to get their hands on a weapon that lets them shoot people in a school, or in a house of worship, or a movie theatre, or in a nightclub," he said after Orlando.

"And we have to decide if that's the kind of country we want to be. And to actively do nothing is a decision as well."

Tefal · 3 Oct 2017 at 11:55

daz said:
As I understand it, he basically despaired every time there was a shooting. He wanted to impose stricter limits and restrictions on these types of weapons after every mass shooting. I think I saw a press conference where he was visible fed up of apologising and not being able to make any meaningful change in the laws.

right. so the problem.is people want trump to say how he will change the law.

this is not going to happen, so why do they want him to say it?

Obama just said the usual platitudes plus gave some false hope.

if trump said "I will stop this , I will enact gun control!!!" like they're saying he should all that would happen is theyd batter him after he failed to get it through the house/Senate.

lying and promising something he obviously cant deliver would be a bizzare move

"And we have to decide if that's the kind of country we want to be. And to actively do nothing is a decision as well."

which is exactly what Americans decided. that is the country they want and they want to do nothing to cha ge it

C.R.A.Z.Y · 3 Oct 2017 at 11:58

Stephen Colbert:

Tuppy_Glossop · 3 Oct 2017 at 12:00

VincentHanna said:
And the difference between the two is?...

Scope. One applies to Nevadan Law and the application thereof and the other is used worldwide. I accept the OED definition.

CREATIVE!11 · 3 Oct 2017 at 12:03

daz said:
I'm not even completely anti-gun - can see why some people might want a pistol for personal protection or a shotgun for hunting etc, but seriously, something like an AR15?!
They have already drawn a line with the right to bear arms at various points because I'm assuming it's not legal to own things like missiles?

I brought up fact last time you can even buy armour piercing rounds for the AR 15 (this was a while ago think it has changed now). I laughed when someone quoted me and said "Yeah well hunters need to be prepared for all those deer wearing body armour you know" or something along those lines lol.

wolfie138 · 3 Oct 2017 at 12:27

Tefal said:
so now you're saying bags the guy just carry his gun on him?

huh?
are you saying someone would just walk through a hotel w/ assault weapon [or weapons] slung over his shoulder?

antijoke · 3 Oct 2017 at 12:37

Mental that the guy was a millionaire......I don't really know what else to say...

Scania · 3 Oct 2017 at 13:06

wolfie138 said:
huh?
are you saying someone would just walk through a hotel w/ assault weapon [or weapons] slung over his shoulder?

Nevada has very lax gun legislation, it’s perfectly legal and normal over there to have a holstered pistol in plain view or a rifle of whatever description slung over your shoulder, him walking in the hotel bringing guns in over his shoulder wouldn’t attract any attention at all.

To us it’s absurd, but to them it’s as normal as you or I carrying a mobile Phone or laptop bag.

Efour · 3 Oct 2017 at 13:11

Have the revealed his gun stash yet?
Perk choices?
Kill streaks?

Little dark humour yet?

VincentHanna · 3 Oct 2017 at 13:11

Scania said:
Nevada has very lax gun legislation, it’s perfectly legal and normal over there to have a holstered pistol in plain view or a rifle of whatever description slung over your shoulder, him walking in the hotel bringing guns in over his shoulder wouldn’t attract any attention at all.

To us it’s absurd, but to them it’s as normal as you or I carrying a mobile Phone or laptop bag.

Well it would a bit, since they are banned in the hotels.

dowie · 3 Oct 2017 at 13:12

Scania said:
Nevada has very lax gun legislation, it’s perfectly legal and normal over there to have a holstered pistol in plain view or a rifle of whatever description slung over your shoulder, him walking in the hotel bringing guns in over his shoulder wouldn’t attract any attention at all.

To us it’s absurd, but to them it’s as normal as you or I carrying a mobile Phone or laptop bag.

that's not true at all re: the hotel - it is a casino and they're generally pretty strict about guests bringing in guns, they don't allow it!

antijoke · 3 Oct 2017 at 13:13

Efour said:
Have the revealed his gun stash yet?
Perk choices?
Kill streaks?

Little dark humour yet?

Was using the lone wolf perk

bingham67 · 3 Oct 2017 at 13:24

Scary to think you could be in a hotel over there right next door to someone armed to the teeth

Scania · 3 Oct 2017 at 13:32

VincentHanna said:
Well it would a bit, since they are banned in the hotels.

Fair enough- I didn’t realise it was a casino as well, but in other scenarios it wouldn’t raise an eyebrow.

I’ve relatives in Texas who frequently carry their rifles along with handguns, completely normal to them and they don’t understand our dislike of it at all.