Mass Shooting in Las Vegas

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What did Obama do in 8 years, even after Sandyhook?

He along with the democrats put together new legislation on sensible gun control, most of which was blocked by the republicans on the NRA payroll.
He did manage to push through tighter mental health check laws, which the utter moron and NRA puppet trump reversed with one of his very first executive orders :rolleyes:
 
Pro-gun lobbies trot out the second amendment every time something bad happens, but I wonder how many people actually care about what it represents. I suspect that for most it's just a convenient counter-argument to any attempts to limit their right to bear arms. Realistically, outside of the people who live in very bad neighbourhoods and can make an argument that they own guns for self-defence, and those who own guns for activities like hunting, most people own guns because they get their kicks from them. To Americans, going to the shooting range is as normal as going shopping, and I'd say that the adrenaline rush from shooting a gun is pretty comparable to driving a racing car or going on a rollercoaster. Imagine people threatened to take away one of the things you love most in life, I'm sure you'd fight tooth and nail to stop them from doing so. I'm not saying any of this in an attempt to defend the NRA and other gun lobbies, simply to understand why they take the position they do.

Plus the gun industry is an enormous money maker.
 
So what are we going to do??
Install metal detectors at the entrance of EVERY conceivable public place (Parks, shopping malls, Cinema, library's, swimming pools, pubs, clubs ...etc ..etc)

The notion that metal detectors are the solution to mass shootings in public is utterly asinine, the nutters will simply go where the metal detectors aren't !
i'm assuming you meant "asinine", but i don't think anyone has suggested metal detectors are a magic bullet to this problem, it's a step to cut down possibilities, that's all. as mentioned earlier, the only thing you can do is make things more difficult for people to carry out acts like this, but you're probably never going to be able to fully stop a 100% determined nutter. had metal detectors stopped that guy taking his weapons up to the balcony, would it have stopped the shooting? Who knows? possibly. if he was a spur-of-the-moment killer maybe he would have fumed and ranted and cooled down later. maybe he "would have gone where there were no metal detectors" - of so, maybe there would have still been killings, maybe he would have been intercepted by the cops as he walked to the scene, who knows?
metal detectors and x-rays are A solution, they are not THE solution.
 
i'm assuming you meant "asinine", but i don't think anyone has suggested metal detectors are a magic bullet to this problem, it's a step to cut down possibilities, that's all. as mentioned earlier, the only thing you can do is make things more difficult for people to carry out acts like this, but you're probably never going to be able to fully stop a 100% determined nutter. had metal detectors stopped that guy taking his weapons up to the balcony, would it have stopped the shooting? Who knows? possibly. if he was a spur-of-the-moment killer maybe he would have fumed and ranted and cooled down later. maybe he "would have gone where there were no metal detectors" - of so, maybe there would have still been killings, maybe he would have been intercepted by the cops as he walked to the scene, who knows?
metal detectors and x-rays are A solution, they are not THE solution.

Utter nonsense, he was determined and came prepared! He would have carried out his slaughter simply somewhere else if that particular hotel had metal detectors !
Hows about reducing the ability for people to have access to these insane semi and fully auto killing tools ?? At the very least it would have help reduce the number of fatalities !

Prevention > Cure
 
that is your opinion, i am sure you'll find millions of americans that disagree

Then they will just have to go on killing themselves wholesale until the message does get through. Personally when it was announced I happened to be reading a book and didn't even look up from the page I was on. I haven't much time for stupidity.
 
Utter nonsense, he was determined and came prepared! He would have carried out his slaughter simply somewhere else if that particular hotel had metal detectors !
Hows about reducing the ability for people to have access to these insane semi and fully auto killing tools ?? At the very least it would have help reduce the number of fatalities !

Prevention > Cure
guess you could've read what i wrote before ranting, but never mind, eh?
 
I don't think we will ever know exactly why he did this but the fact he was a millionaire makes me think that it was kind of to live out a fantasy / fetish that he was ready to end it for as he was bored with his life.

Maybe he could afford whatever he wanted and got no thrill out of any of it anymore. With no friends or family around him he might have regressed into a dark fantasy and decided he would live out a GTA5 style thrill for one last adrenaline rush.

Dark I know, but I honestly think this could be the answer. Any man without a purpose can be dangerous especially an intelligent rich one with access to guns. Also his father didn't seem like the best role model.

One other thing is the distance from his victims, I'm pretty sure some FBI profiler is working away on this but from what I know people with a real vengeance want to be close to their victims to see them suffer. What he did was from the comfort of a hotel room. He didn't have to see the consequences up close, he wanted to make it impersonal because it was all about him and his fantasy not about the victims.

How many millions of NPC's get killed in PC games every year, you can do it because it doesn't feel totally real. By being at such a distance and in the hotel room he had just enough disassociation to do it and then disconnect himself from the game before he had to face any consequences. Self gratification is what I think it was all about.

The young lads on the Lancaster bombers would have been hard pushed to go door to door killing German families. But opening the bomb bay doors from a great height is no problem.
 
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For me it is quite simple, for anyone to commit cold blooded murder they are mentally ill. If they weren't then they wouldn't have performed the act.
So are you saying there aren't 'just bad people' in society, that everyone who commits crimes are mentally ill?
 
No I am saying that the act of causing someone deliberate harm is an issue of mental health. No one of sound mind would go out and cause someone deliberate harm.
 
I don't think we will ever know exactly why he did this but the fact he was a millionaire makes me think that it was kind of to live out a fantasy / fetish that he was ready to end it for as he was bored with his life.

Maybe he could afford whatever he wanted and got no thrill out of any of it anymore. With no friends or family around him he might have regressed into a dark fantasy and decided he would live out a GTA5 style thrill for one last adrenaline rush.

Dark I know, but I honestly think this could be the answer. Any man without a purpose can be dangerous especially and intelligent rich one with access to guns. Also his father didn't seem like the best role model.

Yep, easily possible.
 
Yep.

Makes absolutely zero sense. Unless it comes out he had a mental illness or something we'll never know.

Perhaps being a millionaire detached him from the rest of the great unwashed. Perhaps he looked at ordinary folks in the same way a Hooray Henry looks at a fox from atop his horse whilst it is torn apart by his pack of hounds.

I think it's just something that we are all, deep down, capable of and with the right catalysts it can be brought out.

I think that is the uncomfortable truth that all human beings have to face.
 
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