All Ryzen owners, does it hurt you as well?

saintdefender · 5 Oct 2017 at 18:44

Just bought myself a Ryzen 1700, and now I have just found out how good these intel cpus are at the same price and I must say I am feeling ever so gutted. I don't even know if I can return it if its been used now (didn't buy from OCUK).

Anyone else feeling a bit salty? I thought intel were flummoxed with these Ryzen chips, I thought it would take em a year or two to really respond, but it took them 6 months. Never count out Team Blue I guess

lee32uk · 5 Oct 2017 at 18:52

The R7 1700 is an excellent cpu. What are you unhappy about ?

Safetytrousers · 5 Oct 2017 at 18:52

If I was upgrading from an old system now I probably would go for the new Intel 6 core.
But I bought Ryzen on launch and when buying any system you know it will be bettered with every passing year. The good prospect with Ryzen is that AMD are committed to AM4 for the next now over 3 years, and the last release for the socket may be very nice and carry my system forward for at least a couple of years more. And games are lovely with my Ryzen 1700 and 1080ti, there is no need to be unhappy. It's not going to fall behind the demands of games for quite a long time.
The Intel release is a stop gap. It's basically the 7700k with 2 cores added. The real Intel upgrade to the architecture is likely to happen well within a year, and maybe it will require yet another board.

davisdavid · 5 Oct 2017 at 18:53

You should hardly be gutted. Are you actually going to notice any real life gains in having an 8700k for an extra 100 odd quid? I suggest not. All you get is the knowledge that you can win some benchmarks that literally no one cares about when it comes to playing a game.

Also this isn't an industry secret that the 8th gen were released today, Intel announced it themselves they were releasing. There's almost 300 pages on this very forum about it lol. I personally don't think you can have any excuse for having buyers remorse or the likes if you have only 'just' bought a 1700 with today's albeit limited, release.

If you are that gutted then auction off your 1700 and order a new intel for December delivery.

Just on the flummoxed part - Intel have always had far more capability than they release, their entire business model is based on drip feeding the consumer market and raising prices each time. I have no doubt they could have released an eight core chip today without issue. They'll just wait a few months to do it once Zen 2 or + or whatever releases in February time.

TallPaul1878 · 5 Oct 2017 at 19:04

Not bothered at all.

Sure the i7 8700k will consolidate Intel at the top of the gaming performance charts and will improve it's multi-threaded performance considerably.

It also comes at a premium too. It's just not in the same price bracket as the R7 1700.

Don't forget Ryzen has been out for the best part of a year and has forced Intel to release Coffee Lake now. This has got to be due to the R5 1600 being a better all round purchase than a Kaby Lake i5. They have modified Z270 to be Z370. That's not what they intended, they wanted Z390 which will be out later on.

We shall see what Zen+ looks like soon enough, perhaps it will be capable of getting around 4.4GHz which would make it a lot more competitive again.

ljt · 5 Oct 2017 at 19:49

Not in the slightest "salty"

I'm on a platform that performs well enough for me.

I won't notice the difference between 90fps and 120fps in games
The platform I'm on supports up to 8c/16t CPU's, and will support at least the next 2 generations of Ryzen CPU's, so I won't need to pay out for another motherboard come upgrade time
It's a cheaper platform to begin with and also all CPU's I can buy are fully unlocked if I need to overclock.

With the newest Intel system

From info, it will only support 6c/12t CPU's
It's more expensive if you want to overclock - you have to buy a "Z" motherboard and a "K" CPU
It is only likely to support Coffeelake CPU's, if you want an 8c/16t CPU in the future or the next series, you'll need the Z390 motherboard

DarkHorizon472 · 5 Oct 2017 at 20:20

saintdefender said:
Just bought myself a Ryzen 1700, and now I have just found out how good these intel cpus are at the same price and I must say I am feeling ever so gutted. I don't even know if I can return it if its been used now (didn't buy from OCUK).

Anyone else feeling a bit salty? I thought intel were flummoxed with these Ryzen chips, I thought it would take em a year or two to really respond, but it took them 6 months. Never count out Team Blue I guess

Did you overclock it ?

stewski · 5 Oct 2017 at 20:24

ljt said:
Not in the slightest "salty"

I'm on a platform that performs well enough for me.

I won't notice the difference between 90fps and 120fps in games

The platform I'm on supports up to 8c/16t CPU's, and will support at least the next 2 generations of Ryzen CPU's, so I won't need to pay out for another motherboard come upgrade time

It's a cheaper platform to begin with and also all CPU's I can buy are fully unlocked if I need to overclock.

With the newest Intel system

From info, it will only support 6c/12t CPU's
It's more expensive if you want to overclock - you have to buy a "Z" motherboard and a "K" CPU
It is only likely to support Coffeelake CPU's, if you want an 8c/16t CPU in the future or the next series, you'll need the Z390 motherboard

For me it comes down to price performance. As above I suspect with intell the devil sill be in the detail. Already AMD seem more upfront re OC and future upgrades but competition in a previously one horse (intel) race is great...

Aneskimo · 5 Oct 2017 at 22:18

If I’m picking best bang for buck Ryzen wins as like others have stated you can upgrade an still keep your board for Am4 socket.

If you are not totally satisfied with your 1700 try giving it a decent clock if you have not already.

alternate_UK · 6 Oct 2017 at 01:07

There is always a sexy new cpu within 6 months of you making your choice. You have to jump in at some point.

Hotwired · 6 Oct 2017 at 01:17

alternate_UK said:
There is always a sexy new cpu within 6 months of you making your choice. You have to jump in at some point.

Not always a cpu, in fact before Ryzen there was a great deal of irrelevance about the tiny upgrades intel was offering but theres always something that you could be waiting for and when it is finally in a shop you're hearing of a future product.

If there's a task to perform does it do the job?

jaffveyda · 6 Oct 2017 at 09:47

Not bothered as If I ma gaming @1440p , wont see noticeable difference.

IvanDobskey · 6 Oct 2017 at 09:53

No reason to feel hard done by at all.

Ryzen 1700 is a great CPU.

Hell, I have no regrets over buying my 6700k a little under a year ago.

Always something new around the corner.

McBain · 6 Oct 2017 at 10:04

I'm on a Ryzen 1600 so I suppose the equivalent would be the i5-8600K? That's £100 more expensive, doesn't hurt at all.

Looking at price perhaps the i5-8400 is the equivalent, but it's not overclockable.

Again, it doesn't bother me, have to jump in at some stage so I have no regrets.

mattyg · 6 Oct 2017 at 10:36

So if buying today

Ryzen 1800x or intel??

Begbie · 6 Oct 2017 at 10:42

I'm hardly unhappy with an 8320, is there much real life difference from a 1700 to the intel equivalent ?

Jamesyboyjim · 6 Oct 2017 at 11:03

My partners brother has just built a threadripper system. he's now thinking of selling it for a new Intel based system. He plays games and surfs the internet. Absolutely pointless as he still has a fantastic setup. Enjoy what you have for as long as it does what you want it to.

ChocAndGray · 6 Oct 2017 at 11:22

saintdefender said:
Just bought myself a Ryzen 1700, and now I have just found out how good these intel cpus are at the same price and I must say I am feeling ever so gutted. I don't even know if I can return it if its been used now (didn't buy from OCUK).

The thing is the 7700k was already stronger in most games, so it was inevitable that the 8700k followed the same pattern.

The reality is that Ryzen is good enough for gaming. The differences between Intel and Ryzen only really matter if you're gaming at really high refresh rates at lower resolutions. If you're gaming at 1440p and above then real world differences are slim.

mattyg said:
So if buying today

Ryzen 1800x or intel??

I think I'd lean towards Intel if you want the absolute best in gaming. But it might not be necessary depending on the resolution you game at.

For value I'd go with a 1600x. I feel that for a purely gaming build Ryzen 7 just doesn't make sense. My logic of 8 cores being pointless applies to Intel too, a 7820x for purely gaming would be an even bigger waste of money....

I know some people use the "future proof" angle, but honestly by the time we need 8 cores for gaming current core cpus will be behind anyway.

In my opinion a quad core is fine for at least a year....

However despite all the above, if I was a serious streamer and gamer I'd be looking at Ryzen 7 without hesitation, gaming performance is more than good enough and Ryzen 7 does extremely well in those usage scenarios. There's just no value or real performance benefits if you compare 8 core Intel to 8 core Ryzen.

mattyg · 6 Oct 2017 at 11:28

Jay343434 said:
The thing is the 7700k was already stronger in most games, so it was inevitable that the 8700k followed the same pattern.

The reality is that Ryzen is good enough for gaming. The differences between Intel and Ryzen only really matter if you're gaming at really high refresh rates at lower resolutions. If you're gaming at 1440p and above then real world differences are slim.

I think I'd lean towards Intel if you want the absolute best in gaming. But it might not be necessary depending on the resolution you game at.

For value I'd go with a 1600x. I feel that for a purely gaming build Ryzen 7 just doesn't make sense. My logic of 8 cores being pointless applies to Intel too, a 7820x for purely gaming would be an even bigger waste of money....

I know some people use the "future proof" angle, but honestly by the time we need 8 cores for gaming current core cpus will be behind anyway.

In my opinion a quad core is fine for at least a year....

Gaming on a 4k@60hz 40" Hisense TV or Oculus rift or 1080p 120" projector. So not massive refresh rates and it also has to do Photoshop/Lightroom and routing (logistics) software.

I was onsidering Threadripper but I think thats proper overkill plus the saving will get me a 1080Ti

ChocAndGray · 6 Oct 2017 at 11:31

mattyg said:
Gaming on a 4k@60hz 40" Hisense TV or Oculus rift or 1080p 120" projector. So not massive refresh rates and it also has to do Photoshop/Lightroom and routing (logistics) software.

I was onsidering Threadripper but I think thats proper overkill plus the saving will get me a 1080Ti

Honestly I think it's pointless.

Put it this way if your budget meant that you could build a rig with say a 1800x and 1080 or 1600x and 1080ti, you would notice far more difference with the 1600x and 1080ti, especially at 4k.

At 4k the graphics card has far more impact. Plenty of benchmarks show barely any difference between any of the processors at that resolution. It's only at 1080p where there's any real difference.

You mention thread ripper, so if you were considering a 1900x then it's even more pointless, it's pretty much a higher binned 1800x with a higher entry cost (quad channel ram, more expensive motherboard etc). You'd see zero tangible improvements in gaming.