I can go 1800x and 1080Ti. If that may get me another 12 months down the line. Currently on i7 920 and only jumped onto a 1070 last month from a 880gtx so you can see how often i upgrade..
All Ryzen owners, does it hurt you as well?
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I can go 1800x and 1080Ti. If that may get me another 12 months down the line. Currently on i7 920 and only jumped onto a 1070 last month from a 880gtx so you can see how often i upgrade..
Go with an R7 1700/X. The 1800X isn't worth the price premium imo. Sure you might get a slightly better overclock with the 1800X but is it going to be noticeable in everyday usage ? The £100/£120 saving by going with the other two cpu's will pay for something else or just keep it in your wallet.
I am still sticking with the AMD and hopefully going with the 1700.
I want this system to last, my view is the 1700 will last around 5 years..I can then upgrade the CPU to the last gen AM4, maybe with a second hand one which will then see me through another 3 - 4 years.
Current cost today to upgrade is around £550 for me including case, say another £300 on a GPU and £150 on CPU = £1000ish on a potential system which will last me for the next 8 - 9 years...
Of course this is in theory but my reasoning for sticking with AM4.
I want this system to last, my view is the 1700 will last around 5 years..I can then upgrade the CPU to the last gen AM4, maybe with a second hand one which will then see me through another 3 - 4 years.
Current cost today to upgrade is around £550 for me including case, say another £300 on a GPU and £150 on CPU = £1000ish on a potential system which will last me for the next 8 - 9 years...
Of course this is in theory but my reasoning for sticking with AM4.
Ok I think I'm set.. Just need a AIO and a case
Thinking phanteks enthoo primo its getting on abit though
My basket at Overclockers UK:
Thinking phanteks enthoo primo its getting on abit though
My basket at Overclockers UK:
- 2 x Team Group Dark Pro "8Pack Edition" 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 PC4-25600C14 3200MHz Dual Channel Kit - Black/= £188.99
- 1 x Asus ROG Crosshair VI Hero AMD X370 (Socket AM4) DDR4 ATX Motherboard= £269.99
- 1 x Samsung 960 PRO Polaris 512GB M.2 2280 PCI-e 3.0 x4 NVMe Solid State Drive= £269.99
- 1 x AMD Ryzen 7 Eight Core 1700X 3.80GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail= £289.99
- 1 x Asus GeForce GTX 1080Ti ROG Strix OC 11264MB GDDR5X PCI-Express Graphics Card= £779.99
- 1 x Corsair HX750i 750W '80 Plus Platinum Digital Modular Power Supply (CP-9020072-UK)= £159.95
I game at 2560x1440 with 1080ti. So being money sensible and after all the 8700K reviews out, my answer to your question is the 1700X and Strix B350F, with compatible 3200mhz ram.
@saintdefender to put in perspective, after seeing the 1440p benchmarks yesterday, going from 6800K @4ghz to 8700K @5ghz might give me 1fps at best with the 1080ti, while going to lose my second 960pro due to dmi3.0 bottleneck
. Rather spend the money on Gsync monitor....
32gb for photoshop. I'm a fan of big pano's and they take an age to prepare on my current rig with 16gb
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Intel have complimented AMD by being made to rush out a hex core 'mainstream' CPU on a limited chipset with limited supply. Far from being salty, I feel that I have made the right choice. We have had a bit of a rigmarole with bios and memory issues, now sorted, but AMD were brave and proved that multicore was the way ahead and Intel have followed. The Intel core is stronger being an 8th generation chip with billions more poured into it, but frankly only a few percentage points faster and that only in low resolution gaming.
why everyone forgets broadwel-e and skylakeX? The 6 core CPU was/is at exactly the same point at the 8700K..... On a much superior platform
You seem to be forgetting that SkylakeX costs more overall just to get the same amount of cores/threads. The i7 7800X might be a touch cheaper, but the X299 boards cost more right now than Z370 ones. If you just wanted a pure gaming pc then the i7 8700K is the faster cpu out of the box.
Also saying X299/X99 is a better platform than Z370 is just like saying TR4 is better than AM4. They have different use cases. The HEDT will cater more to content creators etc who can make use of the extra cores/threads that are available. If you just want a gaming pc then Coffee Lake will do fine.
For a very narrow spec, that personally makes no sense.
The only who benefit from the 8700K are those with 1080p monitor at 144hz/200hz resolution without gsync/freesync with Vega64/GTX1080/1080Ti, NO NVME drive at the speed of Samsung 960 and want 10fps more over everything else on the 100fps+ range.
On higher res (2560x1440), or lower spec GPU, or lower monitor refresh rates, the CPU makes no sense over any other CPU can be obtained for £360 or less. Got forbid if someone has 2 Samsung 960s (or similar speed M2). They perf going to be halved, or quartered if gigabit Ethernet is used, making their hole expense look silly.
You think that some people don't buy a pc just to game on ? Not everyone is doing video editing or twitch streaming etc.
The i7 8700K is faster at 1080p and probably 1440p as well. That accounts for the majority of people. In fact 1080p is still one of the most common resolutions for gaming. So why would you not want the faster cpu ?
Are you trying to say you can't run an NVMe SSD (Or two) on Z370 ?
Is not. You are getting GPU limited at 1440p even with the GTX1080ti. See the reviews, the ones bothered to run 3000-3200mhz ram on all systems. You get at best 1 fps over.
While the issue with the NVMe M2s is the whole platform is PCI-E lanes limited.
All the M2 slots going over the Chipset which communicates with the DMI 3.0 connection to the CPU, which is been used by all Kabylake/CoffeeLake CPUs.
That is 4x PCI-E lanes bandhwidth. As much bandwidth a single Samsung 960 Pro needs to work at full speed. 2 of them (or even 2 EVO) going to bottleneck the DMI 3.0 connection cutting perf in half.
Adding gigabit ethernet, that would take 1/3 of the DMI 3.0 alone.
Using PCI-e expansion card, is impossible, because Intel has it locked to propriety devices using their slow drives (1/3 the speed of the Samsung Evo). And even if we could use it, it will eat from the 16 PCI-e lanes of the GPU.
So no, you cannot run at full speed 2 Samsung NVME M.2s on the Z370. Yes you can the likes of Intel, or Sata M.2s like the MX300s. But not 960s without halving their perf.
The extra cost perhaps?, The fact that the Z370 is looking to only support 1 generation of CPU and no more than a 6 core CPU.
At least with AM4 I know it can support up to a 8c/16t CPU in the future and by the looks of it, at least another 2 generation of Ryzen CPU's so I haven't got to buy a new motherboard if I want more cores or a newer faster revision of Ryzen CPU in a few years time
Don't buy an EVGA CLC cooler, it has no AM4 bracket included. I've been waiting for mine exactly 3 weeks now and I am really tired "communicating" with Evga support. Avoid it and save yourself from getting angry and frustrated.
Shouldn't be a problem, i7 8700K is basically a i7 7700K on steroids with two more cores. In games it performs same as i7 7700K and in multi-thread your OC Ryzen will still give it a run for its money. So if you didn't buy a i7 7700K for gaming before you bought your Ryzen, I don't see any logic in regretting it now. Also, as mentioned before, if you game at 1440p or 4K then there is hardly any difference in gaming performance between i7 8700K and Ryzen anyway. The Intel is only better thanks to its high frequencies, clock-to-clock its pretty tied and with further improvements on Ryzen's IPC and durability of AM4 socket I think Ryzen platform is still smarter and way more future-proof solution than Coffee Lake.
Like I said, 1080p is still by far the most common resolution used. So again why would you not go with the 8700K ? You are still reliant on the cpu at 1440p especially if running a high refresh rate monitor and want to get as many fps as possible. At 4K it is less of an issue.
How many people have 1 x NVMe SSD let alone 2 ? You are talking about a very small number here as they are still expensive compared to normal SATA SSD's like the 850 EVO. Also as I said in my opening post you cannot really compare X299 or X99 to Z370 as the latter is a mainstream platform whereas the other two are HEDT. Just like you wouldn't compare Thread Ripper to Ryzen.
If all you need is a 6 core cpu then Coffee Lake is going to be a better option for the majority of people over SkylakeX as it is cheaper to buy overall.
Perhaps we are at crossed purposes, I've just seen your comment about saying coffee lake over SkylakeX (for mainstream) which I agree with if your only looking at Intel as a choice.
But AMD offer an even cheaper 6 to 8 core CPU platform than Intel, which is what I chose the R5 1600, simply down to cost. It still performs how I like for gaming and every day tasks and can cost considerably less than Intels equivalent.
Granted, I don't need 8 cores at the moment, but it's nice to know the AM4 socket will accommodate 8 core CPU's from current Ryzen line up, plus the next 2 iterations if I should need them in the future, without the necessity of having to buy a new motherboard - which Intel seem to make you do every time you change CPU's
It doesn't mean it is the most common resolution used with the high-end CPUs and GPUs. Many people who game at 1080p have entry-level GPUs with 2-4GB of VRAM and older quad-core CPUs. That could be limiting them to 1080p because they wouldn't get any decent fps at higher resolutions. Not everyone has cash to spend on latest PC components.