No CoffeeLake stock?

DragonQ · 6 Oct 2017 at 15:48

It's the sweet spot because most monitors out there right now are 1080p. If you have a 1440p monitor then it's "just better" to game at 1440p and stream at 1080p. I also don't think playing at higher resolutions "stresses the system more" - if using GPU encoding it makes no difference and if using CPU encoding, higher resolutions should reduce the stress on your CPU, leaving more overhead for encoding.

jigger · 6 Oct 2017 at 15:51

DarrenM343 said:
must admit i find it hard to accept people build higher end systems for what is a relavtively low end resolution.i thought 1440p would be minimum these days for gaming enthysiasts

Yeah, but some mothers do have em it seems. I was gaming at twice 1920x1080 circa 10 years ago. Seems the PC has regressed a lot.

B1gbeard · 6 Oct 2017 at 15:52

DragonQ said:
It's the sweet spot because most monitors out there right now are 1080p. If you have a 1440p monitor then it's "just better" to game at 1440p and stream at 1080p.

Not in my experience using both but I guess we've just had different experiences. It seems pretty clear that gaming at 1080p and streaming is going to be more system efficient than gaming at 1440p to me anyway and when streaming it all counts.

davisdavid · 6 Oct 2017 at 15:55

Dr_Watson said:
Largest retailer here shows delivery info to the shop, how accurate they are I have no idea.

8700k, 100 pieces arriving 13th Oct
8600k, 20 pieces arriving 13th Oct

That won't even cover the a fraction of the stock needed to ship to the people who tried to buy but ended up with a pre order due to no stock actually being available

StarShock · 6 Oct 2017 at 16:02

I'm confused, once you factor streaming into the equation, the fact that you're gaming at 1080p seems somewhat irrelevant to how you're using your CPU.

DragonQ · 6 Oct 2017 at 16:43

B1gbeard said:
Not in my experience using both but I guess we've just had different experiences. It seems pretty clear that gaming at 1080p and streaming is going to be more system efficient than gaming at 1440p to me anyway and when streaming it all counts.

Well obviously if your GPU can't handle 1440p that well then 1080p will just be a better experience. But why would you have a 1440p monitor without a GPU that can drive it?

Dr_Watson · 6 Oct 2017 at 17:31

davisdavid said:
That won't even cover the a fraction of the stock needed to ship to the people who tried to buy but ended up with a pre order due to no stock actually being available

Yeh, it’s pretty poor. No idea if it’s accurate. It’s one of the largest distributors, now I see another showing about 2 weeks. No idea about stock distribution in Europe. Would imagine uk gets much more.

SiDeards73 · 6 Oct 2017 at 17:34

B1gbeard said:
Not in my experience using both but I guess we've just had different experiences. It seems pretty clear that gaming at 1080p and streaming is going to be more system efficient than gaming at 1440p to me anyway and when streaming it all counts.

Funnily enough i thought a lot of Pro Streamers use a dedicated capture PC? Although i see recently AdoredTV showed you can Stream, Encode, Upload and play Wow all at the same time on a Threadripper i think it was? was crazily good. Id be you can get a Ryzen 1700 and a Vega 64 or a 1080ti and quite comfortably play a game on a 1440p screen and Stream it at the same time without needing a dedicated capture PC and at a minimum of 60fps on quite a lot of titles.

Dr_Watson · 6 Oct 2017 at 17:38

Just searching I see every shop, about 20, are saying delivery between 10th and 18th Oct.

davisdavid · 6 Oct 2017 at 17:38

Dr_Watson said:
Yeh, it’s pretty poor. No idea if it’s accurate. It’s one of the largest distributors, now I see another showing about 2 weeks. No idea about stock distribution in Europe. Would imagine uk gets much more.

Hopefully those of us not in a rush to buy will see a price drop over the US holiday period, especially if AMD have some aggressive holiday season promotions.

BongoHunter · 7 Oct 2017 at 12:21

jigger said:
Yeah, but some mothers do have em it seems. I was gaming at twice 1920x1080 circa 10 years ago. Seems the PC has regressed a lot.

It's definitely a bit of a bubble across enthusiast forums. The guys I work with will play at the highest resolution and detail they can get away with for a smooth experience - but none of us are into streaming so maybe it's the only the streaming crowd going this way...

Personally I have a 4k screen and a 1070 - I never struggle to play a game on decent settings, as long as it's smooth and over 30 fps I'm happy. Still a better gaming experience than any console IMO - but if one were just listening to the internet crowd: I shouldn't have any less that SLI 1080 TI's with a 4k screen... and even then I should have all settings on low for max FPS... (ok maybe slight exaggeration, but still!)

Dave2150 · 7 Oct 2017 at 12:43

DragonQ said:
Coffee Lake is basically a 2018 product, they've just shipped a handful of top SKUs to make people hesitate about buying Ryzen. The non-Z370 motherboards and lower end CPUs won't release until "1H 2018" according to Intel slides. The only problem is that this paper launch will also make people hesitate about buying Kaby Lake. Not sure it's a good strategy from Intel, at least in terms of sales. Probably good in terms of generating a buzz though.

Coffeelake is a 2015 product - it's just the Skylake architecture with two extra cores, with a clock speed bump. Could easily have been released as the 6700k (with lower clocks) if Intel had wanted, though no Ryzen then so they could get away with 4 cores and a smaller die.

Skylake = Kabylake = Coffeelake. All identical architecture, the only process was improved with kabylake and coffeelake, which allowed slightly higher clocks.

Icelake will be the next new architecture, which will have a IPC increase (probably 5-10%) and hopefully 8 cores for mainstream and PCI-E V4

That's what I'll be upgrading my 6700k to.

jigger · 7 Oct 2017 at 13:46

2020/21 is the new architecture. We have tock next year, then shrink then new chip.

Dave2150 · 7 Oct 2017 at 13:54

jigger said:
2020/21 is the new architecture. We have tock next year, then shrink then new chip.

9th gen will be Cannonlake (10nm shrink of Skylake/kabylake/coffeelake architecture) - Q3/Q4 2018 IMO
10th gen will be Icylake (10nm new architecture - first IPC increase since Skylake in 2015!) - Q3/Q4 2019, again IMO

Intel will want to keep their foot on the gas just in case Zen2 will be a big improvement, though I doubt it will be much more than a clock speed bump (I hope it's more than that).

jigger · 7 Oct 2017 at 14:01

Cannonlake isn't on the same map. Unless Intel plan to move to a new architecture and shrink at the same time while sticking with socket 1151?

beany_bot · 9 Oct 2017 at 09:26

Nelly said:
Then again it slows down AMD sales with the sacrifice of destroying their own sales of Kabylake CPU's.

Exactly this. It's planned short supply, they are all at it now. Also makes people think "wow, sold out. Must be amazing!" Very annoying. I watched an interview with Elon Musk about this practice, and he was saying its very deceitful and they try their hardest to avoid it happening. Was interesting.

kedge · 9 Oct 2017 at 14:42

I blame Intel all the way, who is going to purchase 7th gen cpu's and mainboards at some of those high prices?

Simon Belmont · 9 Oct 2017 at 15:11

kedge said:
I blame Intel all the way, who is going to purchase 7th gen cpu's and mainboards at some of those high prices?

No one. They have to come down in price more to see them move in bigger numbers.

beany_bot · 9 Oct 2017 at 15:24

davisdavid said:
Hopefully those of us not in a rush to buy will see a price drop over the US holiday period, especially if AMD have some aggressive holiday season promotions.

Not sure people buy CPU's for Xmas? GPUS yeah but not CPU's (on the whole). What do you think? I'm just guessing.

Hagar · 9 Oct 2017 at 15:25

The yield on these hex cores must be pitiable?