Multiple people shot at 'several locations' in Sweden, "major incident"

Yeah, they must be doing something right considering they regularly make the top 10 of the happiest / most prosperous countries to live in.
Hopefully one-day I'll get the chance to visit there :)
 
Crazy, if you get a chance to go there, you should. And let me know if you need some help in regards of going there (I'm Swedish but I live in UK since 11 years). We do have a problem with gangs, usually in the poorer suburbs of the bigger cities, but they are no problems that are related to the last few years refugees from the middle-East as so many people try to make it out to be.
 
Cheers for the kind offer, with a bit of luck I'll be in a position to take you up on it in the future.
Whilst hearing such great things about Sweden from Iman (Yes that was his real name!!) I put it on my bucket list of Country's to visit.
As for gang/crime problems, well you get that in every country especially in the poorer more concentrated areas so that's nothing unusual tbh
 
A lot of the gangs are also related to the Balkan wars with a lot of members being children to people that came to Sweden during the civil war there. It is a bit difficult to explain it in full for me, but it is a bit of the typical "parents living in poor areas with little knowledge of the language doing low paid gritty work and the kids gets easy money running drug errands etc".

Sweden is very beautiful otherwise, beautiful countrysides, lovely rivers and lakes. And you can get pretty good cheap flights with Ryanair (if you dare use them :P )
 
I've travelled through Sweden many times en route to Finland. It is a very nice country. Not as good as Finland, obviously, but very nice nonetheless ;)
 
There is certainly some confident and original criminality over there :) :

A criminal gang who hijacked a supermarket in Malmö, southern Sweden, proceeded to run the shop for more than a day before police stepped in.

The gang, a group of men aged 21 to 28, entered the shop in central Malmö and threw out the staff working there.

They tricked shoppers that all was normal by telling them the till system had broken down, and that payments had to be made in cash or via a smartphone app


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tml?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

It's hard to get a handle on what's going on over there given the Swedish authorities seem to have vowed not to disclose the ethnicity of gang members, but the few times names are cited I see few Scandinavian sounding surnames mentioned :) Could they be in denial and maintaining a façade that their ultra liberal approach to immigration is still working just fine?
 
Chris, a lot of those gangs that are causing problems are from the Balkans (specially the gangs in Malmo) and very few are from the refugees from middle-East and north Africa. And I doubt the refugees would have decent enough swedish to get away with running a supermarket like that without people realizing something was wrong.
 
Give it a rest with the personal jibes - as funny as you think you are being.

If I see any more then I'll issue suspensions regardless of it being your first offence or not.
 
Chris Wilson said:
There is certainly some confident and original criminality over there :) :

A criminal gang who hijacked a supermarket in Malmö, southern Sweden, proceeded to run the shop for more than a day before police stepped in.

The gang, a group of men aged 21 to 28, entered the shop in central Malmö and threw out the staff working there.

They tricked shoppers that all was normal by telling them the till system had broken down, and that payments had to be made in cash or via a smartphone app


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tml?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

It's hard to get a handle on what's going on over there given the Swedish authorities seem to have vowed not to disclose the ethnicity of gang members, but the few times names are cited I see few Scandinavian sounding surnames mentioned :) Could they be in denial and maintaining a façade that their ultra liberal approach to immigration is still working just fine?
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And just where are you seeing these names? Googling is turning up literally one result - that Daily Wail one. Maybe my Google Fu is failing me.

All other things being equal, that's a pretty inspired heist.
 
neviditelny said:
Chris, a lot of those gangs that are causing problems are from the Balkans (specially the gangs in Malmo) and very few are from the refugees from middle-East and north Africa. And I doubt the refugees would have decent enough swedish to get away with running a supermarket like that without people realizing something was wrong.
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Well, they did eventually realise something was wrong and it took armed police storming the supermarket to end it... probably the language barrier, they couldn't understand the Swedish for come out lads, if they had, they would have, of course. A more draconian approach was deemed necessary. Are you now saying the gang warfare in Sweden is mainly down to immigrants, but only a certain make of immigrant? Sounds a bit of a desperate, bleeding edge defence of their immigration policy to be frank...
 
Vonhelmet said:
And just where are you seeing these names? Googling is turning up literally one result - that Daily Wail one. Maybe my Google Fu is failing me.

All other things being equal, that's a pretty inspired heist.
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Sounds like they were inspired by a recent episode of Ray Donovan but decided to go large.
 
Chris Wilson said:
Well, they did eventually realise something was wrong and it took armed police storming the supermarket to end it... probably the language barrier, they couldn't understand the Swedish for come out lads, if they had, they would have, of course. A more draconian approach was deemed necessary. Are you now saying the gang warfare in Sweden is mainly down to immigrants, but only a certain make of immigrant? Sounds a bit of a desperate, bleeding edge defence of their immigration policy to be frank...
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Without knowing when the alleged immigrant perpetrators arrived, can you really blame it on recent changes to immigration policy, as you have been?
 
Vonhelmet said:
I'd rather be in Finland than England, for what it's worth, if only I spoke the language.
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Talking books are your friend Von! Talking books, some good warm clothes and decent boots. Can you get studded bicycle tyres? The number of people in this forum who would prefer to be in another country, yet are still here, so much for open borders and free travel in Europe :)
 
Vonhelmet said:
Without knowing when the alleged immigrant perpetrators arrived, can you really blame it on recent changes to immigration policy, as you have been?
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I never mentioned recent... I appreciate Radovan Karadžić has been inactive for a good while, the Balkans influx to Sweden was years ago.
 
I don't know why armed police was brought in, but maybe because it would be easier to get them out? Not to mention that all police in Sweden is armed anyway ;) The gang problems are mostly related to the Balkans in the 90's, and where there have been issues due to low income, being outsiders etc.
The situation with this supermarket, which seems to be more of a local convenience store than an actual supermarket is that a gang have tried to get the owners to pay a "protection fee" which have been refused. That resulted in the gang going in and taking over the shop, several locals noticed some strange changes and contacted police who went there with plain clothed officers and then brought in more "normal" officers and took the four members into custody. One of those members have a 10 year history of various crimes.

Even though Karadzic might not been active for a while the Balkans influx is still there as a lot of the kids to the Balkan refugees are getting involved in crimes due to a bad situation for them and the chances to make quick easy money.
https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/ojJzR/vagrade-betala-utpressarna--da-kapades-butiken
https://www.sydsvenskan.se/2017-10-13/gang-kapade-livsmedelsbutik-och-drev-den-i-over-ett-dygn

In one of the articles above one of the customers are asking one of the members "are you the new owner?" as he didnt recognise him, and got the answer "no, i'm just here temporarily".
 
Vonhelmet said:
OK. Post #47 referred to their "ultra-liberal immigration policy". Are you referring to a long standing policy, then?
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Here's an excerpt from Wikipedia covering 2009 to the most recent figures. By any account Sweden's immigration policies have been liberal for a long time:


In 2009, immigration reached its highest level since records began with 102,280 people migrating to Sweden while the total population grew by 84,335.[7] In 2010, 32,000 people applied for asylum to Sweden, a 25% increase from 2009, one of the highest numbers in Sweden since 1992 and the Balkan wars.[8] However the number of people that were granted asylum stayed the same as previous years. In 2009, Sweden had the fourth-largest number of asylum applications in the EU and the largest number per capita after Cyprus and Malta.[9]

During 2010 the most common reason for immigrating to Sweden was:

  1. Labour migrants (21%)
  2. Family reunification (20%)
  3. Immigrating under the EU/EES rules of free movement (18%)
  4. Students (14%)
  5. Refugees (12%)[10]
In 2010, 32,000 people applied for asylum to Sweden, a 25% increase from 2009; however, the number of people who received asylum did not increase because the large increase was much due to the allowing of Serbian nationals to travel without a visa to Sweden.[8] Sweden has the highest asylum immigration per million inhabitants in Europe.



Eurostat Third Country Nationals illegally present in Sweden 2009-2014
The number of asylum seekers coming to Sweden increased beginning in 2014. 81,300 applied for asylum in 2014, which was an increase of 50% compared to 2013. It was the most since 1992, when 84,018 persons applied for asylum during the war in Yugoslavia. 47% of the asylum seekers today come from Syria as a result of the civil war there, 21% from the horn of Africa (mostly Eritrea and Somalia), 7% from Balkan and 4% from Afghanistan and Pakistan. 77% (63,000) requests were approved but it differs greatly between different groups, such as Syrians and Eritreans where nearly everyone gets their application approved.[11] In February 2015, it was expected that 90,000 apply for asylum in 2015 and 80,000 in 2016. The Swedish Migration Board currently has shortage of 15,000 accommodations so they have to rent from private actors.[12] At the end of April 2015, the figure for the year 2015 was revised down to 68,000–88,000 with 80,000 as the main scenario. Long processing times and that the situation in Iraq has not developed in the way the Swedish Migration Board feared are the reason for the revised figures.[13] Nearly two weeks into October 2015, 86,223 had applied for asylum so far during the year. That was a record, surpassing the 1992 figure of 84,018 during the war in Yugoslavia. Emergency accommodation such as drill halls or offices is needed.[14][15]

A series of violent riots starting with the 2008 Malmö mosque riots and including the 2009 Malmö anti-Israel riots, 2010 Rinkeby riots, 2013 Stockholm riots, 2016 Sweden riots and 2017 Rinkeby riots, during which immigrant youth torched cars and buildings and threw rocks at police, led many Swedes to question Sweden's ability to integrate migrants.[16]

By November 2015, Swedish willingness to accept large numbers of migrants "was petering out"
 
OK, I'd got as far as reading that Wikipedia page and not come across any notes about recent changes, which is what prompted me to ask as I feared I'd misunderstood you, which it seems I had.
 
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