Multiple people shot at 'several locations' in Sweden, "major incident"

Chris Wilson · 13 Oct 2017 at 13:13

neviditelny said:
I don't know why armed police was brought in, but maybe because it would be easier to get them out? Not to mention that all police in Sweden is armed anyway The gang problems are mostly related to the Balkans in the 90's, and where there have been issues due to low income, being outsiders etc.
The situation with this supermarket, which seems to be more of a local convenience store than an actual supermarket is that a gang have tried to get the owners to pay a "protection fee" which have been refused. That resulted in the gang going in and taking over the shop, several locals noticed some strange changes and contacted police who went there with plain clothed officers and then brought in more "normal" officers and took the four members into custody. One of those members have a 10 year history of various crimes.

Even though Karadzic might not been active for a while the Balkans influx is still there as a lot of the kids to the Balkan refugees are getting involved in crimes due to a bad situation for them and the chances to make quick easy money.
https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/ojJzR/vagrade-betala-utpressarna--da-kapades-butiken
https://www.sydsvenskan.se/2017-10-13/gang-kapade-livsmedelsbutik-och-drev-den-i-over-ett-dygn

In one of the articles above one of the customers are asking one of the members "are you the new owner?" as he didnt recognise him, and got the answer "no, i'm just here temporarily".

Ah, right, Sweden needs to do more for these refugees. Genocide under Karadzic to a stunningly beautiful country of culture and fabulous architecture was a bad deal for them?

"A series of violent riots starting with the 2008 Malmö mosque riots and including the 2009 Malmö anti-Israel riots, 2010 Rinkeby riots, 2013 Stockholm riots, 2016 Sweden riots and 2017 Rinkeby riots, during which immigrant youth torched cars and buildings and threw rocks at police, led many Swedes to question Sweden's ability to integrate migrants."

Swedes must try harder!

Don't get me wrong, you sound a nice guy who loves his country, but you do seem to be putting a bit of a gloss on the reality

Vonhelmet · 13 Oct 2017 at 13:16

Chris Wilson said:
Ah, right, Sweden needs to do more for these refugees. Genocide under Karadzic to a stunningly beautiful country of culture and fabulous architecture was a bad deal for them?

You know, you make fleeing a genocidal regime sound so easy.

Chris Wilson · 13 Oct 2017 at 13:22

Millions, (nearly all young men abandoning their women folk), seem to manage it just fine! Ask the Greeks and Italians, they've given up the practicalities of even counting them. One might think refuge in a prosperous welcoming country like Sweden would be heaven, not a cause to riot.

neviditelny · 13 Oct 2017 at 13:30

Chris, I know that we have a problem, and that we could have done a lot better in dealing with those refugees/immigrants. However it is not as bad as a lot of other people tend try make it out to be. I've seen people trying to make it look like there is a bloody civil war going on in Sweden etc. A lot of us swedes realize that but there is a lot of people that don't seem to care about that or want to notice it and just blame it on muslim immigrants, which in these cases are not the ones responsible for the problems.

VincentHanna · 13 Oct 2017 at 13:33

I doubt he will take much notice of you because that contradicts, rather than reinforces his views

mid_gen · 13 Oct 2017 at 13:40

neviditelny said:
Chris, I know that we have a problem, and that we could have done a lot better in dealing with those refugees/immigrants. However it is not as bad as a lot of other people tend try make it out to be. I've seen people trying to make it look like there is a bloody civil war going on in Sweden etc. A lot of us swedes realize that but there is a lot of people that don't seem to care about that or want to notice it and just blame it on muslim immigrants, which in these cases are not the ones responsible for the problems.

It's almost like the UK gutter press depiction of life in EU countries has no basis in reality....

neviditelny · 13 Oct 2017 at 14:00

Oh, its not only the UK press that does it.. And it is scary to see how wrong media gets it quite often..

Arazi · 13 Oct 2017 at 14:03

neviditelny said:
Crazy, if you get a chance to go there, you should. And let me know if you need some help in regards of going there (I'm Swedish but I live in UK since 11 years). We do have a problem with gangs, usually in the poorer suburbs of the bigger cities, but they are no problems that are related to the last few years refugees from the middle-East as so many people try to make it out to be.

Recruiter

C.R.A.Z.Y said:
Cheers for the kind offer, with a bit of luck I'll be in a position to take you up on it in the future.
Whilst hearing such great things about Sweden from Iman (Yes that was his real name!!) I put it on my bucket list of Country's to visit.
As for gang/crime problems, well you get that in every country especially in the poorer more concentrated areas so that's nothing unusual tbh

Potentially Recruited.

neviditelny · 13 Oct 2017 at 14:05

Nah, recruit someone? I would have it easier doing harm here as it is a lot more people over here than in Sweden, and in a lot smaller area as well

Schlong&Stable · 13 Oct 2017 at 14:06

Vonhelmet said:
You know, you make fleeing a genocidal regime sound so easy.

Since Sweden does not neighbour a country committing genocide, this argument doesn't really stack up. These people are economic migrants.

Kronos · 13 Oct 2017 at 14:07

Vonhelmet said:
7 people injured in a small town in Sweden. Since when is that front page news?

If it happens in the US as far as the BBC is concerned.

G-MAN2004 · 13 Oct 2017 at 14:09

Orionaut said:
Of course he was. It is a nice convenient label to stick on him because the authorities wanted to play down his real motives, possibly because they were genuinely concerned that, if they came to light, a significant minority of Norwegians might actually be sympathetic to him. But he wasn't a terrorist really. what he did (And more to the point, what he is alleged to have said to his victims while he was doing it) only makes sense if you accept that he was an assassin who was attempting, quite specifically, to destroy the Norwegian labor party.

He wasn't a terrorist intent on simply causing general mayhem in built up areas.

"destroy the Norwegian labor party". So, he had a political aim in mind? Therefore, terrorism...

Vonhelmet · 13 Oct 2017 at 14:14

Kronos said:
If it happens in the US as far as the BBC is concerned.

Firstly I doubt every time seven people are injured in the US it makes the BBC. Secondly Sweden is not the US.

Vonhelmet · 13 Oct 2017 at 14:15

Schlong&Stable said:
Since Sweden does not neighbour a country committing genocide, this argument doesn't really stack up. These people are economic migrants.

Aye, maybe. Is that a problem? Not really.

Tunney · 13 Oct 2017 at 14:36

Schlong&Stable said:
Since Sweden does not neighbour a country committing genocide, this argument doesn't really stack up.

Mate, have you watched any Danish TV? There’s 1,200 gruesome murders there a day. The maverick detectives can’t cope with the body count.

Yaayuh! · 13 Oct 2017 at 14:43

Vonhelmet said:
I'd rather be in Finland than England, for what it's worth, if only I spoke the language.

I'm part Finnish, it's not a simple language

Vonhelmet · 13 Oct 2017 at 14:46

Rossi~ said:
I'm part Finnish, it's not a simple language

I know, I've heard my mother and other relatives speaking it often enough

Yaayuh! · 13 Oct 2017 at 14:49

Vonhelmet said:
I know, I've heard my mother and other relatives speaking it often enough

Cool, the Finn in my family came from Kuopio

I gave up with the language, my French and German is far better

Chris Wilson · 13 Oct 2017 at 14:49

Some Finnish girls go in my local, really nice ladies, incredibly good looking too. Might try a Harvey tonight and go in in my bathrobe. Hmm, maybe not

I asked them if they were good rally drivers once, they said show us some decent snow and a good RWD car and we'll show you. I was impressed, bet the bints can cook too, where did I go wrong...?

Mynight · 13 Oct 2017 at 15:05

Chris Wilson said:
Some Finnish girls go in my local, really nice ladies, incredibly good looking too. Might try a Harvey tonight and go in in my bathrobe. Hmm, maybe not I asked them if they were good rally drivers once, they said show us some decent snow and a good RWD car and we'll show you. I was impressed, bet the bints can cook too, where did I go wrong...?

Don't know but referring to them as bints is probably a good place to start looking

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