Does anyone still think the housing market isn't broken?

It's crazy, these houses have [16] years of wear and tear, they should have decreased in price. It's not like they are fine art or collectors sports cars.

Someone should have stepped in at the point where the houses increased 5-10% and fixed the problem by building more houses, but instead they thought no , I'm going to be greedy and get rich.
 
It's crazy, these houses have [16] years of wear and tear, they should have decreased in price. It's not like they are fine art or collectors sports cars.
people are constantly doing home improvements, you don't but a house and just sit and watch it decay!
 
The first question, why as a single person do you need a family house of 3 bedroom?

Secondly the reason why this house is outside of a single person is its a family house, i bet if you added a secound persons wage to a mortgage calculator you'd easily be given a mortgage for that amount.

Why not look at a 1 bed or 2 bed house as thats all you need as a single person?
I live on my own.
The big bedroom is mine.
The other big bedroom has all my old games consoles.
The box room has a guest bed in it.

Got to get all your bases covered! :D.
 
It's crazy, these houses have [16] years of wear and tear, they should have decreased in price. It's not like they are fine art or collectors sports cars

A bit simple minded. My parents house for example has probably had close to 250k in decorating and modernisation done to it. It's the same structure but not the same 'house' it was 17 years ago.
 
Basically its the london commuter belt that sees the biggest growth?

One of the places yes. London is a good place for relatively easy accessible high wage jobs. London is too expensive for the majority to live/ buy a house.

Move further out. Lower house prices demand however increases pushing prices up. Move further out. Rinse repeat for as long as decent commuter link exist.

My take on it anyways.
 
One of the places yes. London is a good place for relatively easy accessible high wage jobs. London is too expensive for the majority to live/ buy a house.

Move further out. Lower house prices demand however increases pushing prices up. Move further out. Rinse repeat for as long as decent commuter link exist.

My take on it anyways.
i live on a main line to London, the big rises are now starting to creep into this area. As much as it feels nice to see you house go up in value I wish it wouldn't for my kids sake and the sake of the town.
 
My house is a 2 bed new build terrace.
Me and my girlfriend got a 35 year mortgage using help to buy so the government own 20% (For now), we pay 275 mortgage. We're going to sort out the help to buy and lower the term in the when our 5 year fix has ended (By then we're likely to be earning about 25% more joint).

All of our bills including food for one person would likely amount to £800, so I could quite comfortably be able to live by myself and pay everything etc. By myself I wouldn't be able to get the mortgage for the house using a 5% deposit.
However, I'd be able to take up one of these by myself as a renter although that'd end up closer to £1000 by myself (Which would leave me very little money spare).

I'd call that a pretty broken system.

EDIT : To be honest, I didn't think anyone these days disagreed with the system being broken. 2 Years ago I never thought I'd be able to buy a house, it was only because my Mam gave me £10,000 that I've been able to.
 
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I'm mid thirties, rented all my life. South East. I've worked since 16 years old with no gaps. Kids in good local schools. Friends and family all here. Don't want to move further away. No savings.

Buying has never been anything I've had to think about because it's simply never been affordable....ever. People often comment on why I don't have a mortgage as it would be cheaper than my rent. They tell me this like I don't know. They tell me this like I can get a 100% mortgage for a 400K house (about what the current house we rent is worth). This isn't a sob story, just saying it's been like this for ever really for me. I don't know what I'll do when I retire. I don't really think about it nor worry. Why worry about something I can't change. Rent for life....maybe.
 
Why would you expect to be able to buy a similar house to your dad, what, 50/60 years later? They're already owned by your dad and everyone else's dad. I'm guessing we're talking a 2/3 bed house as well, not a flat.

I've no idea where you live but you only need a £10,000 deposit with the HTB scheme to buy a £200,000 property. Probably even enough to get a flat in some parts of London. If that took you 9 years then that's saving less than £100 a month whilst staying at home which is very low. You'd normally expect to pay anywhere from £250-500 renting, which could be saved. If you (plural, not you personally) were able to save £500 a month living at home then it'd only take 10 months to save the same deposit. And with the new LISA's or whatever they're called, the bonus would likely cover stamp duty and legal fees too.

A couple of issues there.

Your argument is basically that you shouldn’t expect to have as large a properly as your parents at the same time of life. So where does that end? Your parents get a 3 bedroom house, you have a 2 bedroom flat, your kids... share a bedsit with others?

Should we be telling the generation born in 20 years that they shouldn’t expect to live in the same type/size of house as “we” do now?

Secondly, even when discounting the first point, it’s all very well arguing that people shouldn’t expect/hope to own the same kind of property their parents owned (in this case a 3 bed house), and should be happy with a 2 bed flat, but how is that going to help if they want to have a couple of kids?

Unfortunately it’s becoming increasingly apparent the baby boomers and to an extent some/most of generation X had it perhaps the best any generation has and will (at least in the relatively near future) have with housing. Before them owning a house was only a dream for most. Small terraced houses/cottages were the norm, as were sharing rooms with siblings. Post WW2, perhaps because of the massive building boom after the war, housing became much more affordable, owning a house with multiple bedrooms was a possibility for most.

It’s becoming increasingly apparent that that’s becoming less the case now, with house prices being multiples more than average wages (10-12x* for the average house in the UK, out of reach of even a couple working full time). Perhaps the boom of homeownership is over and we’re heading back to the pre war period?

*to put it into perspective again, average house price in 1980 was £24k and average wage was around £6k, so a 4x multiplier.
 
We also shouldn't discuss housing prices without also discussing feminism, believe it or not it's crucially related to income.

- Women get convinced they should work.
- The supply of workers competing for the same roles is increased.
- The salary that job pays is therefore reduced.
- A tipping point is reached where a single salary can no longer support a family.
- Both parents now have to work.

- Ta-da!... magic moment... twice as many people are working, for the same cost to the corporations.

- Children still need looking after, so the family pays someone to do it. If only one of them was working they wouldn't need to at all!!!
- Childcare is very expensive, basically removing that family's capability to buy a house until the child is old enough to go to school.
- Parents do a better job of raising their child than a nursery employee.
- God knows what effects that has, very scary.

This may have been mentioned already but salaries have risen, including accounting for inflation.

As an example the average salary in 1980 was around £6k, which is £20k now adjusted for inflation. The current average wage is £27k.

House prices have far outstripped both inflation and wage rise at around 7% a year since 1980.

The rise of women working has very little to do with the increasing unaffordability of housing. If it was a large factor then a couple working now would be able to buy the same house as their parents on just one income. Unfortunately that’s not the case as house prices have risen past that.

Perhaps this is where we as a society need to move on. Leave monogamy behind and move to polygamy. It’s got the double benefit of having a third income in the house (and if a family of for adults one could be full time parent) so now they can afford the 12x the average salary it costs to buy a house (3x4x average salary). AND it means less houses are needed as more people are shacking up together! :p

IMO it's a step forward.

If all the women stopped working tomorrow:
- The family would be financially better off because the men would earn twice as much and the family wouldn't have to pay childcare. The family would have MORE money than they currently do.
- The children would also be better raised because it would be a parent doing it.

Note that I don't really care if it's the woman or the man who stops working, whichever can earn the most should work.

I think where we went wrong is the classic 'equal outcome' instead of 'equal opportunity'. We've ended up forcing women to work, which isn't the same as giving them the choice.

It's the family, especially the child, who have paid the price. And it's the top 1% who have benefited.


Again, that’s wrong. For a start the more women working the greater the economic growth of a country. Women don’t take jobs from men/reduce their salaries. They take other jobs and increase household income.

There’s also a correlation between women’s control of household income and increase in benefits to their children.

For a bulletpoint overview

http://www.unwomen.org/en/what-we-do/economic-empowerment/facts-and-figures

But there’s lots of information on this subject. It’s one of the reasons so much time and money is spent in getting women working in developing countries. It helps both the household and the country to develop, improve and become more prosperous.

Not that I’m suggesting both parents should work. I’m neutral on that subject (not sure either way, there are benefits and negatives to both scenarios).
 
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I work in London and I live in Staffordshire. Best of both worlds (pay/cost) but I am at a stage in my career when I can have that luxury and also work from a proper home office or any location really. There is a mindset in London amongst the young where it's all they know. They just assume they must be in London because that's where the work is or that's what they need to do to make money. There is no question that there is much to attract the young to the city, it's one of the worlds most incredible cities.

I can understand that mindset but it's wrong. There are great, high paying jobs across the UK, there are just more of them in London like any capital. London is a huge issue for the UK and we need significant change in legislation to change that. What I see and observe is people actually wanting to be in London because of what it offers and the 'can't get work elsewhere' is actually just a self justification of staying in London. Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Edinburgh all have places to earn just as well as London and to pay far less to live, but it's not London. When I see people in mundane jobs it's even less of an argument but what they are actually saing is I am used to earning 40K for a 30K job and don't want to take the drop.....when they could save 10K living somewhere else (a simplistic example). THAT is the reality.

While that may be true for most unfortunately there are some careers that really do force you to work in London if you want to stay in the country. It’s one of the reasons I always had plans to leave the UK. London’s great in some ways, but I’d rather live somewhere with some nature.

Obviously there are alternatives. You could work elsewhere doing something relatively similar, but the drop in salary would be more like £50k to £20k if you’re lucky. You’re not going to get the same standard of living even if you did move to Stoke or Staffs.

Now if the companies didn’t insist on all being in such a small area of the county then that could change, but they need to be near major international airports and the major financial institutions. So Heathrow and the city basically. For many it’s a catch 22 that may only be broken by a move towards “virtual” offices, where people really do just need an internet connection and computer to work. Unfortunately for me that would involve the requirement for an internet connection that can shift gigabytes of data around, so it’s going to be a long time in the future for some of us. :(
 
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