2017 Upgrade - 500-750ish for Gaming

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Hi Guys,
Forgive the long post, I just want you to know where I’m coming from and wanted to ask your kind advice again. This forum helped me with a build in 2012.

Anyway, long story short. My Wife’s PC died a weeks ago and I was thinking of getting her an upgrade.
and by that I mean getting mself an upgrade and kindly donating my pc to her.

Wife PC - RIP 2017
Dell Studio XP2 8100 (2010 Model)
Processor: i7 870
Ram: 8GB (4x2) 1333Mhz DDR3
Motherboard: Some Dell thing
GPU: 1GB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460
Dell – 1680x1050 monitor- Decent enough for my Wife’s usages

This had 2 upgrades done
1. Corsair CX500 PSU
2. MSI GeForce GTX 660ti 2048 GDDR5

The PSU was bought cause of some issue, and the Graphics Card came out of my 2012 Build which some of you guys from the over clockers community forum members helped me build.

My PC

MSI GeForce GTX 660Ti Power Edition 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card £263.99
Intel Core i5-3570K 3.40GHz (Ivybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor (77W) – Retail £179.99
Fractal Design Define R4 Midi Tower Case - Black Pearl £99.98
Samsung 128GB SSD 830 Desktop Series SATA 6Gbs KIT with Norton Ghost - (MZ-7PC128DEU) £89.99
Gigabyte Z77-D3H Intel Z77 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Motherboard £81.98
Cooler Master Silent Pro Modular 700W '80 Plus Bronze' Power Supply £79.99
Samsung SpinPoint F3 1TB SATA-II 32MB Cache - OEM £59.99
Samsung Green (MV-3V4G3DUS) 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C11 1600MHz 30nm Dual Channel Kit £41.99
Cooler Master Hyper 612S CPU Cooler (Socket LGA136611561155775AM3AM2+AM2)£32.99

I’ve upgraded this machine with the

MSI Radeon RX480 8GB back in December 16 --- the 660ti went back to the Dell but is now free to return to my 2012 build.
LG Ultrawide monitor 29 inch 2560x1080 Freesync monitor

Also CPU is Overclocked to 4.2Ghz

I’m looking at keeping the GPU and buying most of the rest and shaking off the rest of the Dell

GPU – Looking at Keeping the RX480 and putting the 660ti back into the 2012 build
Case- I will keep the Fractal Design but I need a new one for the new build
Motherboard – Need to have some Overclocking to bolster performance.
Ram – No idea, this is expensive now and no idea how much difference speed makes
CPU – Thinking AMD this time.
SSD – Will need a new one (Wife wants to inherit mine)

Windows not needed

Would love some RGB and Tempered Glass.

Any Advice preferable, I'd like to see if it can last 5 years.

Thanks in Advance
 
The RAM from the Dell might work in your PC to give her 12 GB. You should be able to transplant the HDD from the Dell to your PC so she would keep all her apps and settings, though she'd not gain the SSD. If she uses under 128 GB you could clone the drive with Ghost.

For what do you use the PC?
 
Salient said:
GPU – Looking at Keeping the RX480 and putting the 660ti back into the 2012 build
Case- I will keep the Fractal Design but I need a new one for the new build
Motherboard – Need to have some Overclocking to bolster performance.
Ram – No idea, this is expensive now and no idea how much difference speed makes
CPU – Thinking AMD this time.
SSD – Will need a new one (Wife wants to inherit mine)
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How about PSU. Also needed?
 
Quartz said:
The RAM from the Dell might work in your PC to give her 12 GB. You should be able to transplant the HDD from the Dell to your PC so she would keep all her apps and settings, though she'd not gain the SSD. If she uses under 128 GB you could clone the drive with Ghost.

For what do you use the PC?
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I'm not sure if the RAM is compatible, but either way 8GB will be enough for her. She will do some light gaming (Stardew Valley, Planet Coaster, Overwatch, etc.) Then browsing and general stuff

Danny75--- I was thinking of using the Corsair on it and taking the 700 for my new build.

What are your guys thoughts on a new build eg, processor / mobo ram etc?
 
Salient said:
Hi Guys,
Forgive the long post, I just want you to know where I’m coming from and wanted to ask your kind advice again. This forum helped me with a build in 2012.

Anyway, long story short. My Wife’s PC died a weeks ago and I was thinking of getting her an upgrade.
and by that I mean getting mself an upgrade and kindly donating my pc to her.

Wife PC - RIP 2017
Dell Studio XP2 8100 (2010 Model)
Processor: i7 870
Ram: 8GB (4x2) 1333Mhz DDR3
Motherboard: Some Dell thing
GPU: 1GB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460
Dell – 1680x1050 monitor- Decent enough for my Wife’s usages

This had 2 upgrades done
1. Corsair CX500 PSU
2. MSI GeForce GTX 660ti 2048 GDDR5

The PSU was bought cause of some issue, and the Graphics Card came out of my 2012 Build which some of you guys from the over clockers community forum members helped me build.

My PC

MSI GeForce GTX 660Ti Power Edition 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card £263.99
Intel Core i5-3570K 3.40GHz (Ivybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor (77W) – Retail £179.99
Fractal Design Define R4 Midi Tower Case - Black Pearl £99.98
Samsung 128GB SSD 830 Desktop Series SATA 6Gbs KIT with Norton Ghost - (MZ-7PC128DEU) £89.99
Gigabyte Z77-D3H Intel Z77 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Motherboard £81.98
Cooler Master Silent Pro Modular 700W '80 Plus Bronze' Power Supply £79.99
Samsung SpinPoint F3 1TB SATA-II 32MB Cache - OEM £59.99
Samsung Green (MV-3V4G3DUS) 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C11 1600MHz 30nm Dual Channel Kit £41.99
Cooler Master Hyper 612S CPU Cooler (Socket LGA136611561155775AM3AM2+AM2)£32.99

I’ve upgraded this machine with the

MSI Radeon RX480 8GB back in December 16 --- the 660ti went back to the Dell but is now free to return to my 2012 build.
LG Ultrawide monitor 29 inch 2560x1080 Freesync monitor

Also CPU is Overclocked to 4.2Ghz

I’m looking at keeping the GPU and buying most of the rest and shaking off the rest of the Dell

GPU – Looking at Keeping the RX480 and putting the 660ti back into the 2012 build
Case- I will keep the Fractal Design but I need a new one for the new build
Motherboard – Need to have some Overclocking to bolster performance.
Ram – No idea, this is expensive now and no idea how much difference speed makes
CPU – Thinking AMD this time.
SSD – Will need a new one (Wife wants to inherit mine)

Windows not needed

Would love some RGB and Tempered Glass.

Any Advice preferable, I'd like to see if it can last 5 years.

Thanks in Advance
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Hi,

I have an offer for you:

My basket at Overclockers UK:

Total: £772.05
(includes shipping: £13.20)



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I'd like my main build for gaming.

I'd like to future proof the CPU a bit as I'm likely to upgrade the GPU maybe next year/2019 at some point with another AMD cause I have a freesync monitor.

I was thinking

Ryzen 1600 1600x or 1700 - not quite sure what to make of the new intels CPU's yet.
I don't know if I should go x370 or b350.

I wouldn't mind putting an m.2 on the motherboard,

I'd need a case, since she will be inheriting a Fractal R4, I want something nice to build in and that will last.

Something that should do most of the games at High 50-60FPS at 1080, and quick in Windows for day to day.

I'll be transferring over;
my GPU
my HDD's
my PSU ( maybe )

thanks again.
 
Salient said:
I'd like my main build for gaming.

I'd like to future proof the CPU a bit as I'm likely to upgrade the GPU maybe next year/2019 at some point with another AMD cause I have a freesync monitor.

I was thinking

Ryzen 1600 1600x or 1700 - not quite sure what to make of the new intels CPU's yet.
I don't know if I should go x370 or b350.

I wouldn't mind putting an m.2 on the motherboard,

I'd need a case, since she will be inheriting a Fractal R4, I want something nice to build in and that will last.

Something that should do most of the games at High 50-60FPS at 1080, and quick in Windows for day to day.

I'll be transferring over;
my GPU
my HDD's
my PSU ( maybe )

thanks again.
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Roger that, Sir :p

My basket at Overclockers UK:

Total: £731.24
(includes shipping: £12.30)



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(includes shipping: £11.70)



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Tempered glass case, with some integrated RGB, as requested, and RGB cooler and RGB memory. Or lose the RGB cooler and get the Ryzen 1700:

My basket at Overclockers UK:

Total: £772.56
(includes shipping: £11.70)



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Just for fun, Intel flip side, great fun overclocking the i3 and with 8400, ram iverclocking and trying to get boost to hold



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Overclock ram to 3900/4000 Hz

Shame i5 8400 has gone from £165 to 200 :/
 
Guys, you've been a great help so far.

Those videos were interesting on the i3. I think I will steer towards Ryzen as it "Could" be the case in the future game developers start coding for the extra cores.

so it looks like im looking for 3200mhz Ram.

It's down to a
1600 which I believe comes with a cooler
1600X no cooler but better overclocking?
1700 which comes with a cooler right?

then choosing B350 or X370 for a mobo.

Lets say in 2020. Whats likely to still be pretty decent if I keep upgrading GPU's?

cause in all fairness the 3570K is still decent for now. but I'm 1 PC down.

Again thanks for all the advice
 
Salient said:
Guys, you've been a great help so far.

Those videos were interesting on the i3. I think I will steer towards Ryzen as it "Could" be the case in the future game developers start coding for the extra cores.

so it looks like im looking for 3200mhz Ram.

It's down to a
1600 which I believe comes with a cooler
1600X no cooler but better overclocking?
1700 which comes with a cooler right?

then choosing B350 or X370 for a mobo.

Lets say in 2020. Whats likely to still be pretty decent if I keep upgrading GPU's?

cause in all fairness the 3570K is still decent for now. but I'm 1 PC down.

Again thanks for all the advice
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1700 is better because it's a 8-core / 16-thread processor. It has a decent cooler in the box and you don't need anything additional.
X370 motherboard fits in your budget and it's the better choice.

In 2020, you will be able to upgrade the X370 motherboard with another Ryzen CPU, be it Ryzen 2 or Ryzen 3.
 
Salient said:
Guys, you've been a great help so far.

Those videos were interesting on the i3. I think I will steer towards Ryzen as it "Could" be the case in the future game developers start coding for the extra cores.

so it looks like im looking for 3200mhz Ram.

It's down to a
1600 which I believe comes with a cooler
1600X no cooler but better overclocking?
1700 which comes with a cooler right?

then choosing B350 or X370 for a mobo.

Lets say in 2020. Whats likely to still be pretty decent if I keep upgrading GPU's?

cause in all fairness the 3570K is still decent for now. but I'm 1 PC down.

Again thanks for all the advice
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It's a shame Intel took so long milking it. Considering most games recommend specs are 3rd gen 4 core i5, the new i3 8th gen 4 core steps in nicely and has the clock speed and ram ability.
With coding they should take cores, but again will be done to Intel more. Quick search of Steam hardware survey and you'll see why, still think i3s are the most common hardware , 2 cores 4 threads, maybe it's now i5 . Think they'll slowly adapt to 6 cores , or maybe slow their DX12 to get the most of the cores and DX11 to cover the market base .

Go 1600 or 1700- the X versions are meant to be the best binned - but then thread ripper came out and AMD were then saying, actually , thread ripper had the best binned, why you can see 4 GHz and 3400hz ram hitting off first time without Al the issues Ryzen went through

If your going x370- Asus hero or ASRock Taichi- paired with 8 packs ram. Get it to 3466hz then work on the timings. Great if you plan to keep the board 6-7 years and slap in Zen2 as you've got the VRM count to handle that chip
B350 - gigabyte b350 3 or Strix with 3000 team group ram to save some cost - gaming 3000-3200hz is the sweet spot . Great if your happy to keep the budget option 4-5 years and then ditch to newest chip and cpu :)

AM4 is great socket as in theory 3 generational support - but that would have been crushed if Intel had done 8 core coffee lake for current prices now, would have crushed AMD in its wake. But Intel has played the price - by the time they have got their 8 core, AMD can read zen+ and leak zen2 :)

i3 will make a killer ITX console box I think
 
orbitalwalsh said:
If your going x370- Asus hero or ASRock Taichi
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It's a shame you recommend so expensive motherboards which are out of his budget, obviously. And even then, I think you are wrong and MSI X370 Gaming Pro Carbon is the better motherboard.
MSI not for nothing always receive AWARDS for the best hardware.
 
So as it stands, its tricky,

I have this as a base it's a little mix of everyones advice in the thread, I might have to ditch the M.2 as it is putting me a bit over budget, and I am curious about the case cause every video I've seen has watercoolers on their CPU's and I'm not confident enough or wealthy enough for Watercooling yet.

Since Ryzen 1700 comes with an Aircooler I'm hoping there's enough cooling in there.

There's also a MSI RX480 8GB in there aswell.

Is all this looking compatible?

I also have 2x 3.5 Mechanicial drives at 1TB and 2TB and *might* have to use the Samsung SSD from the 2012 build.


Fairly solid?


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A B350 motherboard is absolutely fine for that build and will bring it down to budget. M2 not really important, just something that is specced when budget is plentiful because why not. Go with normal SSD. Have a look at this other Phanteks, offers more for the money than the NZXT. And you can afford a better cooler for overclocking then.

My basket at Overclockers UK:
 
4K8KW10 said:
It's a shame you recommend so expensive motherboards which are out of his budget, obviously. And even then, I think you are wrong and MSI X370 Gaming Pro Carbon is the better motherboard.
MSI not for nothing always receive AWARDS for the best hardware.
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I'm personally a fan of Gigabyte and Asus , not so much MSI. Actually was 100% Asus till Gigabyte won myself over.
Small little fact, Gigabyte has the largest market share for all pre existing AMD sockets but margins of around 60% - so one of the reasons at launch there was double the amount of Gigabyte boards to reviews all over the world .Now Asus has taken over and are the largest producers as well as total marketshare of motherboards. That's saying something

Secondly there are tons of the reps on here covering all areas of hardware, only ones MSI have are for laptops. Asus does but kept posting links to generic email :/

Gigabyte only ones to have both motherboard and GPU RMA centers in the UK, and only manufacture you can actually drop off your products to, personally

I tend to quote boards I've used personally , or others that I know that have used it just fine , and partly what the mass of a whole thinks (both being points to Taichi) , and seems to be Gaming 3 (used) and Hero (used) .
Would love to reference Aorus K7 but Taichi and Hero just have that edge over the board , why I recommended it to your self , and why I think them to bar the Gaming 3 are the top sellers here .
If you've used that MSI board , get some pics up or stats to help inform - maybe some reviews .

@Danny75 systems looks tidy and colours matches nicely , notice saving money over the x370 as they are just both the same
In Win 303 in black or white could be another rival to P400 - which I've used and is lovely , never had the pull of the s340 which was a shame
 
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