Could a Mod chuck this into a new thread for us, please?
They all want to save middle earth. He thinks it can be used to help them. No difference just different strategy.
Flawed strategy, as already proven to him. Plus he never shuts up about Minas Tirith and bloody Gondor. Gondor this and Gondor that. Gondor, Gondor, Gondor. He's like a whining child.
"Gandaaaaaaaaaaaalf, we should take the ring to Goooooondooooooor"!!!!
He also doesn't seem to realise that Gondor's blood isn't doing a very good job of keeping everyone's lands safe...
"Gondor???!!!
Where was Gondor when the Westfold fell?
Where was Gondor when our enemies closed in around us?!
Where was Gon.... No, my Lord Aragorn. We are alone".
If they had made for the Gap of Rohan, as Boromir wanted, I imagine the Rohirrim would have beaten the living **** out of him!!
No hes just human and susceptible. I believe their race is the most susceptible to the power of the ring as well.
Their race?
What are you, then, a barrow-wight?
All the more reason Boromir should not have been on the journey.
If someone is ignorant of a truth...you dont call them evil or stupid ...just ignorant. Try understanding his motivations before you cast judgement.
He is NOT ignorant of the truth, though. He knows the ring is evil and cannot be used. Time and time again, IN THE FILMS, we are told that the ring cannot be used for good. Boromir himself is told this, but he still ignores it. He *chooses* to ignore the truth - He is an idiot.
I mustve missed that bit in the trilogy? Cos we are talking about the final cut of the films right? Not the entire tolkien anthology and not stuff that was cut from the script and never made it into the release.
You mentioned Tom Bombadil, who was not in the films - I therefore have full licence to similarly supplement the argument with the same sources as you. Rohan too has already been under attack for several years by the time the three hunters rock up looking for Hobbits.
irrelevant twaddle. Dunno why you bring this up.
To show you Aragorn has not abandoned the world of men and that he really is valid as king of Gondor. It's just Boromir's birthright to the Stewardship of Gondor and his seeing Aragorn as a pretender that creates the tension.
In the book, Aragorn actually refuses to be crowned immediately after the Battle of the Pelennor Fields, and even after doing the whole Healer=King hands thing, insisting on the people uniting and universally accepting him first. He actually left Minas Tirith and hung around outside, refusing to enter for two months until he was crowned, in order to avoid any possible conflict over his claim to the throne.
Also worth noting that he also wasn't allowed to marry Arwen until he was crowned King of Arnor and of Gondor anyway, so balls to the idea of going off somewhere with her!
Moreover, Aragorn only has claim to the throne of Gondor anyway, but already *is* Chieftain of The Rangers - His first duty is as King of the area that is effectively the Kingdom of Arnor. In response to your Boromir quote, "By the blood of our people are your lands kept safe!" - Also by the blood of Aragorn's people are those same lands kept safe... and possibly more so, since they don't have white towers and fancy walls to fortify.
That's one reason why.
There's a LOT to this and I'm not going to type up all the books you've not read - Either read up on this yourself, or start with things like this:
https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/73172/why-didnt-isildurs-heir-come-forward-sooner
We are talking Boromir's perspective here.
Err.... Nooooooo.
I was talking about Sean Bean's accent slipping!!
YOU... you started talking about some Boromir fan-conspiracy YouTube video, which I can tell is erroneous just from what you've described in it. You then harp on about how you "hate how he is portrayed in the film", which is further licence for me to use other sources in comparison and clarification of Bean's portrayal and the reasoning behind it. The people who made these films are *serious* Tolkien nuts, including Sir Christopher Lee. They know more about this than you or I probably ever could... but film is a limiting medium and there's only so much they can show with slight glances, subtle references, nuanced acting and a limited running time!!
Most of what you write above is not in the films.
So?
The scenes in the films are based on the books, but do not have enough time to fully explain the details of the background. Tolkien has to write lengthy articles, appendices and even whole books to expand and explain the history to his main stories - Why do you then think it can be covered by just a couple lines of dialogue in a short film?
The evidence from the films is other being(s) using and holding rings of power. Boromir thinks the risk is worth taking.
Other beings...
Three of the most powerful beings around, and good beings using rings with good powers. Technically also not forged with the influencing hand of Sauron directly, which is why their powers and their Bearers have not fallen to The One Ring.
Seven given to Dwarves, who succumbed to greed and fell into ruin because of them.
Plus every single Man who has had a ring has fallen to it and become a Ringwraith.
What makes Boromir think he can beat that, when far more powerful membes of his race and others have already failed?
Oh, and where exactly IN THE FILMS is any evidence of anyone actually *using* any ring, except The One?
They are Keepers of the Rings, now, not Users. They can't use the rings, or Sauron will know and be able to find them.
What you should be asking instead of just ignorantly slamming him as evil or stupid ...is try to understand why he wants the ring. Its clear as day in the film he talks about the reasons all the time!
Irrelevant twaddle.
He falls to the power of the ring. He is a liability. That's all there is to it. Whatever he might have been previously or what he thought he might do has NO meaning whenever he's under the Ring's influence. It's what he actually does that has any bearing.
lol well according to that statement of yours...if you are proposing Boromir as evil then you have to conclude everyone is evil. Because everyone is susceptible to being corrupted by the ring.
According to that statement of yours, you cannot read posts properly.... "LOL".
Being susceptible is different to actually giving in to the corruption.
Aragorn is just as susceptible, if not more so as Sauron knows he is Elessar and wants him far more than he wants a mere Steward of Gondor... and yet Aragorn does not give in.
To quote your beloved Boromir: "You did what I could not".
Its left ambiguous whether he does or not. And he was in a befuddled state not just deep in thought. Thats your interpretation.
Twaddle.
Befuddled is your invention and I wonder if you know what that even means...
He is blatantly not in the slightest bit addled, dazed or even stupefied. He was of sufficiently sound mind to light a fire, get his pipe going and was deep in thought over some very dark and nasty possibilities, pondering the Riddles In The Dark and references to "Precious", which is why he goes off to research Isildur's account of the ring.
You seem to think he was "befuddled" based on his slow reaction to Frodo entering, perhaps? That's what people are like when first lost in thought, and then burying those thoughts in order to keep from inflicting them on happy little Hobbits.
And no, he doesn't actually *touch* the ring - It's all here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1WWCCHM9d8
They were all given that. The film makes a point of not showing Boromir receiving any gift basically because he is supposedly evil blah blah.
OH EM GEE.... By your logic, Aragorn doesn't receive a gift either, so they must be setting HIM up to fail, too, right? Right? Poor heroic Aragorn, tragically let down by his Fellowship who never supported him, right? Right?
No... The film simply makes a point of editing and covering only those gifts that feature in the film later on, as plot devices. The cloaks that help hide Frodo and Sam, the Lembas bread that features several times, the Light of Earendil, Merry and Pippin's belts/knives, etc.
Technically, the rope, boats, cloaks and Lembas were gifts from the Galadhrim in general.
Galadriel's own gifts were more specific. Sam got a box of earth from her orchard which was for his garden, plus a silver nut from a Mallorn tree. Gimli asked for a mere strand of her hair, but she gives him three. Legless gets a new bow and some arrows. Merry and Pippin get silver belts and the knives. Frodo obviously gets the 'Phial of Galadriel', which holds the light of the star called Earendil, basically.
Aragorn gets the Elfstone and a sheath for Anduril, which in the books was reforged from Narsil before he left Rivendell. But in the film Galadriel witters on about the Evenstar and Arwen being a greater gift than anything she can give, so he actually gets.... NOTHING.... Bloody cheapskate Elves, eh!!!
However, a deleted scene shows Celeborn giving him that wickedly curved knife that features heavily later on, saying "You are being tracked". Basically, it's intended to stealth-kill Gollum - Lovely people, these Elves, eh!
This knife is Gûd Daedheloth - 'Foe of the Morgoth's Realm'... and it says so along the blade.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYuLHp5JYCU
Boromir gets a golden belt. Later on, Faramir sees the boat with Boromir in and the belt was the only thing he did not recognize. Frodo said to Faramir that the belt was given to him in Lórien, and thus positively identified the dead man as Boromir and Frodo as a member of the Fellowship, ie a friend of Boromir.
He was still in hiding basically from his true identity. He had plenty of time to reveal himself and take on kingly duties etc. Why doesnt he do that?
This is why we read the books...
There's a whole backstory about Gandalf working with Aragorn to investigate the strange goings on and how they thus discover Sauron's plot. Gandalf says in the film, "There is one other who knew that Bilbo
had the Ring. I looked everywhere for the creature Gollum, but the enemy found him first".
How then do you think Gandalf knows what Gollum confessed under torture? Magic?
Nope - Aragorn went hunting for Gollum and captured him in the Dead Marshes, bringing him to Thranduil to be held captive.
He could not have done all this secret work like that while walking around with everyone knowing who he was. That's why he goes by the name Strider.
I assume you know Aragorn served King Thengel of Rohan, as Eowyn even mentions it in the Two Towers extended.
Did you know he was also in the direct service of Ecthelion II, Steward of Gondor, going by the name Thorongil?
He already does serve Gondor, which is why in Lothlorien he tells Boromir, "I have seen the White City ... long ago".
He could not have done that by rocking up and going, "Hi, I'm Aragorn and rightful king of Minas Tirith, here".
There are many reasons he keeps his identity secret, not because he doesn't want to, but because it lets him do what he otherwise could not.
This stuff is all covered in the Appendices of LotR, but too long and detailed to work in the film.
Heck, in the film Gandalf leaves The Shire and pops over to the library at MInas Tirith, then returns to Bag End as quickly as if he'd just popped down the shops for some milk. A lot of time passes, here and in other scenes, with a lot of details left out.
This is just garbage. I wish you would stop moving the goalposts. We are talking about the films.
Films based on very long and detailed books. The film is little more than a synopsis, really, as well as a different medium. You cannot expect to fully comprehend elements featured in the books based only on the barest nod of recognition (never mind actual explanation) in the films.
In the films Aragorn is a ranger who has been in hiding as his true lineage is that he is Isildur's heir. Does he have so many enemies against him that he would be murdered if he revealed himself?
In very basic terms - YES!!!!!!!!!
There's a ******* Dark Lord and all the hosts of Mordor massing to kick Middle Earth's backside, here and they have friends from overseas coming, too.
More correctly, Aragorn doesn't yet have enough friends, allies and united peoples to lead and successfully hold off the enemies that would come for them all.
He basically hid from his duty as King.
That would only be said by someone who either hasn't read the books and/or understood Aragorn's considerable reasons for doing what he has - In other words, you're assuming Boromir's own assumption during the Anduin bankside argument with Aragorn is accurate... It is not.
Besides, I've already covered Aragorn's first duty as King of Arnor.
). Yes of course Boromir is more affected because i have already mentioned his weakened state. I already said that the Ring purposefully singles him out repeatedly. Remember when Gandalf touches the ring just once he was utterly knocked for six for hours in a daze. (when Bilbo leaves) 
