Tax my euro6 and i’ll Vote against on purpose.
Are you worried about the future of diesel cars?
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Tax my euro6 and i’ll Vote against on purpose.
I'd like to see a sliding increase of VED on older (pre Euro6 diesels). Say, a £10 per year increase in 2019, then £20 in 2020, £30 in 2021 etc.
It would softly encourage people to get rid of older diesels without hitting those least able to afford a tax hike immediately.
It would softly encourage people to get rid of older diesels without hitting those least able to afford a tax hike immediately.
Leaving aside for a moment that many Euro 6 diesels are still pumping out way more toxins in the real world than they do in tests, these aren't the problem in the grand scheme of things, it's the 10+ year old sheds we need to get off the roads.
I agree but with a far more aggressive scale.
Of course our moronic government would rather slap a totally spurious £310 charge on any new car which happens to list at more than £40k, rather than encouraging people to replace their old cars with new, cleaner ones
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I wonder if they went through the whole process, hoping to make some amazing new clean fuel. But went "oh ffs, it's diesel!" when they saw the result 
But they are using electrolysis. So a bit like EVs, they are just shifting the problem somewhere else.
But they are using electrolysis. So a bit like EVs, they are just shifting the problem somewhere else.
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That is as a result of carrying around all the anti emission, passenger safety cells, air bags, impact crush zones and assorted electronic gizmos that are must haves now.
Try driving a 1960's Ford Anglia for exposure to lightweight motoring.
A bigger engine doesn't always mean worse emissions. Many small turbo engines are worse for non-Co2 emissions than some larger, NA ones.
But yea, they have got too heavy in general and that doesn't help with emissions either. But apparently we are close to being able to mass produce carbon fibre
But yea, they have got too heavy in general and that doesn't help with emissions either. But apparently we are close to being able to mass produce carbon fibre
That is as a result of carrying around all the anti emission, passenger safety cells, air bags, impact crush zones and assorted electronic gizmos that are must haves now.
Try driving a 1960's Ford Anglia for exposure to lightweight motoring.
Yep your 1970's mini was about 600Kg and could get over 50 to the gallon.
Back in the day I had a Zodiac, I thought it was massive. I saw one the other day, it was actually about the same size as a focus.
Cars are stupid big/heavy nowadays. No wonder that multi story collapsed a while back. I would risk a modest wager that these old 60/70's car parks are carrying double the deck loading they were originally designed for...
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a Mk III, I loved it, bought it for £70 in about 1979 (it was 17 years old). Column gears and bench seats, a beauty.Off topic though, it was 2.5L straight six, single carb, petrol job if I remember correctly.
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A bigger engine doesn't always mean worse emissions. Many small turbo engines are worse for non-Co2 emissions than some larger, NA ones.
But yea, they have got too heavy in general and that doesn't help with emissions either. But apparently we are close to being able to mass produce carbon fibre
It would help a lot. If a car is 250Kg heavier than it could be say, you have to add a more powerful engine to move that 250Kg then bigger wheels and wider tyres and that has a knock on effect on fuel use. Multiply that fuel use over a cars 200,000 mile life time.
We can mass produce carbon fibre and build cost effect cars from it like the BMW i3.
Imagine an i3 with a 120-150hp petrol engine like Ford's ecoboost or 1.5 Mazda skytronic. That would be a great car.
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A 1970's mini was using a cast iron BMC engine that was built to such low tolerance you'd be lucky to get 60K miles before it needed a rebuild. Nobody cared about emissions back then or any kind of pollutants come to think of it. The world was still adding lead to fuel as a lubricant.
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What will happen after diesel cars are taxed into the scrap yard a new study will find out the issues with small turbo direct injection petrol's that everyone one switched to and a government think tank will tax them out the market and we will be back into large NA port injection petrol's maybe America was right all along
I was reading an article where in the high pollution zones a large percentage of pollution is caused by heating properties and the government want to move away from gas boilers to reduce this. Just wait until a modern day house hold fires up a 20-30KW electric boiler followed by charging two cars with 30kw fast chargers the power grid will collapse
More nonsense.
The largest EV on the market, charging in a coal-heavy part of the US is comparable to a very small ICE, assuming the rapid decarbonising of the power system that's underway grinds to a halt.
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End of life emissions excludes disposing of the battery, would be interesting to see what the figure is for this.
More nonsense.
The largest EV on the market, charging in a coal-heavy part of the US is comparable to a very small ICE, assuming the rapid decarbonising of the power system that's underway grinds to a halt.
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Also all the rare earth metals used to build them? That's another brewing problem.