Most expensive painting ever

So the fees on that were $50M? Wow. I'm sure Christies really earned that $50M selling a painting that could sell itself.

I'm pretty sure I could sell the Mona Lisa, with absolutely zero auction experience.
 
Always the way with art, it's only worth what someone else will pay for it.

Frankly this just proves that some people have more money than sense.
 
hornetstinger said:
And it's not even accurate. Jesus wasn't white.
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depends what you classify as 'white'

he was from the Mediterranean/Palestine area - some people in that region and North Africa consider themselves to be 'white' and tbh.. they're not exactly that different to Southern Italians, Spanish and Greeks etc..
 
Bigpops said:
I'm pretty sure I could sell the Mona Lisa, with absolutely zero auction experience.
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I'm pretty sure if you held up a painting in your local church hall and said bidding starts at $100m, you'd get approximately zero bids.
 
hornetstinger said:
And it's not even accurate. Jesus wasn't white.
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I don't think anybody knows what he was. Nazareth was a busy trade route town with a lot of commerce. Probably was White, but there's no certainty. Only reasonable certainty was that he was Jewish which is why I say he was probably White. But there are many different ethnic groups of Jews including out and out Black jews (who can actually credibly claim to be some of the earliest Jews). So who knows?
 
dowie said:
depends what you classify as 'white'

he was from the Mediterranean/Palestine area - some people in that region and North Africa consider themselves to be 'white' and tbh.. they're not exactly that different to Southern Italians, Spanish and Greeks etc..
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Which is why I just love this epic SJW fail. :D

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Malevolence said:
Which is why I just love this epic SJW fail. :D

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That's a great pic. I'm keeping that. It's pretty scary how ignorant some people are. I've come across people who think it's a conspiracy to pretend the Ancient Egyptians weren't Black. I mean of course Black people were known in Egypt and lived there. You had a kingdom of Black people on the Southern border for quite a long part of Egypt's history! But if you're talking about the people rather than the nation, they were something like the Berbers or the Copts. Which isn't White but is most definitely not Black, either. Ancient Egyptians knew what Black people were and they depicted them differently from themselves:

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It's primarily pushed by certain African Americans. African American slaves got ripped away from their original culture and stripped of it. But whilst African Americans then naturally took on the culture around them, they were denied the opportunity to feel an accepted part of it. So naturally a movement grew up trying to identify with "Africa" as the culture. Unfortunately, Africa is a really big ******* place and a lot of people are very poorly educated. So they think Africa is a land of nothing but Black people. Even that it is silly really. There's just as much difference between a Bantu and a Khosian as there is between a Bantu and a Greek. But the former get lumped together as "Black". Egypt in particular got latched onto because everyone in America knows about the pyramids and it fits the desired narrative to have there be some great empire in the past of Black people that represents the noble past. Just like every other culture wants to have a golden age and empire to look back on. Never mind that there was a perfectly good and amazing actual Black kingdom in Ethiopia that could be identified with if needed. It's got to be Egypt! :/

Then somebody makes a film like Gods of Egypt (which is really, really bad by the way) and there's hysteria and hate over White-Washing because it's not wall to wall Idris Elba and Djimon Hounsou. And when somebody tries to bring some historical accuracy to the discussion and say that some White people aren't that far off they get attacked because by that point it's entrenched and anything that contradicts is now a conspiracy theory by White people.
 
Malevolence said:
Which is why I just love this epic SJW fail. :D

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LOL yup, the utterly bizarre notion by African Americans (the decedents of West Africans and a bit of European chucked in the mix) that their ancestors were the Ancient Egyptians - or sometimes that they're the original Israelites.

I mean obviously there was a Nubian kingdom to the south who had dark skin but even then those East Africans have got naff all to do with modern African Americans
 
dowie said:
LOL yup, the utterly bizarre notion by African Americans (the decedents of West Africans and a bit of European chucked in the mix) that their ancestors were the Ancient Egyptians - or sometimes that they're the original Israelites. I mean obviously there was a Nubian kingdom to the south who had dark skin but even then those East Africans have got naff all to do with modern African Americans
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It's understandable in a way. African slaves had their own culture ripped away from them and then when freed were denied feeling fully apart of the culture they grew up in, too. They're not the first bunch of people to look back for a historical culture to belong to. But amongst the USA's many racial fault lines, one of the ones that most people are least aware of is that between African Americans and actual African immigrants. They don't get on, basically. Well, individuals are individuals and nothing is universal. But lets just say it's not at all infrequent for their to be tensions between African Americans and immigrants or foreign students from Africa or Afro-Caribbeans. I'll give an example. At Cornell university in New York, the Black Students United group petitioned their university to allow fewer African students. They justified this because the African students had not "suffered through the African Holocaust" as their families had or had to endure the "generations of fascism" that they had. In short, the African students were 'privileged'. Yes, really. No, this is actually what was said. Yes - REALLY!

http://www.conservativeblog.org/amy...at-cornell-want-fewer-africans-on-campus.html

And whilst MANY African Americans recognize the above as racists and also dumb, it still represents a not uncommon friction. African immigrants - who typically have had to break their backs to get the opportunity to live or study in America tend to work hard, study hard and generally have more personal responsibility than the average American can imagine. Which clashes badly with some African American students views on Social Justice, privilege, etc. African students tend to out-perform their Black counterparts. And, iirc, most of any group of native US students except certain Asian groups that have a very strong work-ethic. Because again, it's not about race it's about culture. But to many African Americans, culture IS race so the arrival of people who share one but not the other is a threat to the world view.
 
h4rm0ny said:
I don't think anybody knows what he was. Nazareth was a busy trade route town with a lot of commerce. Probably was White, but there's no certainty. Only reasonable certainty was that he was Jewish which is why I say he was probably White. But there are many different ethnic groups of Jews including out and out Black jews (who can actually credibly claim to be some of the earliest Jews). So who knows?
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Isn’t it more likely would would have been brown given he is middle eastern after all. From everything I’ve read the conclusion is he was unlikely white, and probably looked like a Arab.
 
h4rm0ny said:
I'll give an example. At Cornell university in New York, the Black Students United group petitioned their university to allow fewer African students. They justified this because the African students had not "suffered through the African Holocaust" as their families had or had to endure the "generations of fascism" that they had. In short, the African students were 'privileged'. Yes, really. No, this is actually what was said. Yes - REALLY!
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you can sort of see why though, African immigrants to the USA tend to be from higher income groups and are better educated - occasionally there is a news story about an amazing black teenager who got into all of the Ivy League universities, invariably they're the offspring of middle class professional immigrants from Africa rather than African Americans and have clearly benefitted from affirmative action even though it is debatable whether it is needed if they go to one of the top high schools in their state and live in the suburbs in a middle class two parent household... sure their skin happens to be black but meh...

Asian Americans as a group lose out due to affirmative action, they have to score higher than European Americans who in turn have to score higher than African Americans for the same place. African immigrants as a group perform in a similar way to Asian Americans and yet simply because they're black they get the same special treatment in admissions as African Americans.

(the whole affirmative action thing is a bit of a farce anyway IMO for other reasons like not taking into account socioeconomic background, high school attended etc..)

Craterloads said:
Isn’t it more likely would would have been brown given he is middle eastern after all. From everything I’ve read the conclusion is he was unlikely white, and probably looked like a Arab.
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probably looked like someone from the Mediterranean more like, and whether he is 'white' depends on what you count as 'white'

is someone from Lebanon white? What about Palestine? Greece? Southern Italy? Western Turkey?
 
Well this thread escalated quickly.

The painting is probably worth £340mil, to be honest. It's pretty descent for a turtle.
 
dowie said:
Asian Americans as a group lose out due to affirmative action, they have to score higher than European Americans who in turn have to score higher than African Americans for the same place. African immigrants as a group perform in a similar way to Asian Americans and yet simply because they're black they get the same special treatment in admissions as African Americans.
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This narrative came up in another OCuk thread and wasn’t it proven to be a complete myth?

American college admission policies aren’t based solely on grades. Asian Americans tend to have better than average grades but are weaker than average when it comes to other criteria such as extracurricular activities (voluntary work, sports participation, etc.).
 
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