Knife Crime

[Rannoch]

I remember back when I was a child, we all used to carry a knife of some description, even at school, and I can't remember anyone ever getting stabbed. In fact, I can quite clearly remember Mr Dodd, my Form and French teacher, asking the class if anyone had a knife handy so he could shave down his desk.

Lol

Very true.

 

[Rannoch]

Knives pfft.

You can carry ice axes at my place up north and nobody takes any notice.

 

[wesimmo]

I remember back when I was a child, we all used to carry a knife of some description, even at school, and I can't remember anyone ever getting stabbed. In fact, I can quite clearly remember Mr Dodd, my Form and French teacher, asking the class if anyone had a knife handy so he could shave down his desk.

Yep, my parents even helped me bring a "survival knife" back from Majorca by advising to pack it in my suitcase rather than hand luggage!

We used to spend entire summers out and about in the fields around the village building dens, damming brooks to make ponds and all sorts so having such a knife was actually understandable, I don't think it ever crossed mine or my parents mind I'd ever use it as a weapon.

 

[LabR@t]

We all carried knives as kids, lock knives, Bowie knives butterfly knives it was part of being a kid. Making spears catching fish, chopping trees making shelters.
No one ever got hurt.

 

[Rannoch]

On a flight back from Bangkok to Heathrow I remember playing with a flick knife on the flight.

Imagine that today lol

 

[Bassmansam]

When i was in school about 12 years ago there was in phase for graffiti. Mostly the more "bad" kids were doing it it was quite common to see it around and i live in a reasonably nice area. Not everyone who did it want on to be a career criminal, in fact most of the ones i know of went to uni/ learnt a trade and are doing well for themselves now.

 

[TallPaul1878]

Doesn’t “self-defence” have to be proportionate / reasonable in the eyes of another to be allowed under the law? For example, you confront a burglar at your home, he runs off but you chase him down the street and beat his brains out with a quarter staff is not reasonable.

So what were the full circumstances of the first case the OP mentions?

An altercation occured in town with a lad getting a bit physical with his girlfriend. An off duty bouncer decided to get a bit physical in her defence. A bit of a running scuffle ensued which led to the bouncer getting stabbed in the throat.

 

[Orionaut]

Your last paragraph seems a bit of a leap, and isn’t really borne out by anything preceding it.

If we had more than three policemen in the country, they might be able to do something about this sort of thing.

There have been successful defenses against Murder charges where "Self defense" has been used by criminals to justify killing their victims

I really cant understand what the Jurors were thinking mind . I can only imagine they must have been given very specific instructions by the Judge that they did not feel able to ignore...! Wouldn't have worked with me mind. I think that the "Felony Murder" concept is right on the money and something that the US has actually got right! I cant really think of any circumstance where I would find in favour of a criminal over his victim.

 

[Arazi]

Yup, get used to it, violent crime is on the rise, (as the stats show) too many scumbags breeding in the 90s and 00s.... this is the result.

This.

 

[Dav4]

This week has been a disaster for those of us who live in the North West.

First we have the headlines that a man who stabbed and killed another person has walked free from court as "he was acting in self defence" when cutting someone's throat in an altercation on a night out.

Then we have have a PCSO being lured into a park at night to help an injured person and being ambushed and slashed across the hands as he protected his face.

Last night an OAP has been stabbed in the stomach and his fighting for his life.

Finally last week a girl leaving university was stabbed in the stomach as she fought to keep her bag with all her coursework in from being stolen by a thug.

I'm just depressed at the situation and with the scum bag walking free from court it has given the green light to local hoodlums to stick a blade into people at every opportunity.

It appears the law sees it like this: I attempt to rob you, you fight back, I stab you in self defence.

What a travesty!

I feel the same op I was considering posting something similar in regards to the recent scum bag walking free who killed the bouncer it’s just truly depressing. It’s getting to the point that i have stopped trying to look at any news lately as all these acid and knife attack’s being committed are truly terrible and just makes me dispise humanity and the ridiculous justice system.
The government still have not sorted the knife crime problem it needs to carry a mandatory lengthy sentence as most scumbags and even school kids don’t even give it a second thought of stabbing someone nowadays as they don’t fear the consequences.
What makes me laugh aswell is all these wannabe tough guys mainly council estate scum aged 16 up who bounce around demanding respect are all little stoners who weigh about 8 stone who are only hard when they’ve got a knife and mates to back them up

 

[Dav4]

2 muggings over the space of 10 years. fought back and got sliced twice on right thigh, left me with a nasty scar during the first. 3-4"'s long and about a cm deep.

Second one was 2 guys vs me as they wanted my xmas presents, fought back, ended up with bruised kidneys after being kicked in the back and a 2 inch wife and 1inch deep scar on left side of stomach. another group of blokes shouted at them and they ran off without the presents. A&E doctor told me that it was a good job I was fat otherwise it could have done some real damage cheeky ****!

Doesn't really hurt being stabbed or sliced, its more the shock of it happening. Couldn't imagine being burnt with acid potential to loose your sight as well in some cases.

Sorry to hear that! I could imagine it leaves a psychological mark aswell dealing with something like that?

 

[Amp34]

Yep, my parents even helped me bring a "survival knife" back from Majorca by advising to pack it in my suitcase rather than hand luggage!

We used to spend entire summers out and about in the fields around the village building dens, damming brooks to make ponds and all sorts so having such a knife was actually understandable, I don't think it ever crossed mine or my parents mind I'd ever use it as a weapon.

Are you a beaver?

Bet the farmers didn’t like you.

 

[Werewolf]

I remember back when I was a child, we all used to carry a knife of some description, even at school, and I can't remember anyone ever getting stabbed. In fact, I can quite clearly remember Mr Dodd, my Form and French teacher, asking the class if anyone had a knife handy so he could shave down his desk.

On the other hand my father remembers the problems with knives in the 60's and 70's...

His comment on Peaky Blinders "yeah they used to do that", he grew up in Newcastle in the 50's in an area that was not the best, and IIRC the razors in hats thing was copied by some of the mods/rockers gangs in the 60's as well.

Knife crime is going back up after a bit of a lull (who knew reducing police numbers would lead to more crime), but also like many crimes it gets far more attention nationally than it ever used to, 25 years ago you'd probably only hear of a knife attack 50-100 miles away if someone died, or it was particularly gruesome, now they tend to make it on the news regularly, or you'll hear about a spate of smaller incidents..

 

[Vonhelmet]

There have been successful defenses against Murder charges where "Self defense" has been used by criminals to justify killing their victims

I really cant understand what the Jurors were thinking mind . I can only imagine they must have been given very specific instructions by the Judge that they did not feel able to ignore...! Wouldn't have worked with me mind. I think that the "Felony Murder" concept is right on the money and something that the US has actually got right! I cant really think of any circumstance where I would find in favour of a criminal over his victim.

It’s not like it’s a routine thing for murder charges to be dismissed with a self defence plea. You would need very specific circumstances for that to check out.

I don’t know what to make of the bouncer story, but without seeing all the details it’s hard to be sure what went on.

 

[IronWarrior]

I remember being chased by 3 kids when I was like 8 or 9. I pulled out this small Swiss Army Knife out, the blade was only like 2 itch's, but the older kids (maybe 13-15+) soon changed their attitudes and started to pretend to be all nice and friendly as I managed to slowly back away and to safety.

Still keep a multitool on me whenever I go.

 

[Edrof]

The government is going to introduce new laws for weapons - new laws that will only affect antiques collectors like me. It seems they think £1,000 gilded Georgian sabres that are blunt as a spoon are carried around by thugs on a regular basis. Certainly, the cheap, deadly, easily-concealable and utterly ubiquitous kitchen knives any 18-year-old can buy are nothing to worry about. I wonder if members can figure out which has been linked to around 95% of UK knife crime - the former or latter.

The community has risen up but the government won't care one bit.

 

[IronWarrior]

The government is going to introduce new laws for weapons - new laws that will only affect antiques collectors like me. It seems they think £1,000 gilded Georgian sabres that are blunt as a spoon are carried around by thugs on a regular basis. Certainly, the cheap, deadly, easily-concealable and utterly ubiquitous kitchen knives any 18-year-old can buy are nothing to worry about. I wonder if members can figure out which has been linked to around 95% of UK knife crime - the former or latter.

The community has risen up but the government won't care one bit.

In the end, government doesn't really understand the problem, any new laws or legislation doesn't protect anyone. Criminals don't care about such things in the end.

 

[Nasher]

The government doesn't understand the problem because they are mostly toffs who have never experienced the real world.

We need more police and the punishments needs to get much harsher. Many aren't afraid to go to prison because it's free living and starting to sound like a holiday camp. If you stab someone and get send to prison, you shouldn't get the same human rights as everyone else. If it was Shawshank redemption, many would think twice.

 

[Efour]

I grew up in Essex and Peckham where my nan lived.
It's gentrified a hell of a lot but I can tell you the people that then 80s,90s mostly carry knives, but it will just be marked as a racist comment.

It's just an arm's race, if you got 1 group of guys with knives, you sure as hell need a knife yourself just incase.

You wanna fix this? Stop and search targeted group that will be called racist, and before hand run a TV campaign saying if you get caught with a knife in London you getting 1 year prison to think it over.

 

[Diddums]

Most knife incidents do seem to be carried out by a certain demographic but it's taboo to mention it because you'll be a nazi and people with dreadlocks will shut down Heathrow airport to make a point.