cooler for coffee lake. noctua, cryorig, coolermaster

fireflyserenity said:
Ok thanks,

The Matterhorn looks quite a bit bigger than the NH-U12S, would it block anything like the NH-U14s would?
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If "thicker" (in airflow direction) heatsink isn't offset its fan can block some DIMM slots or at least demand low profile DIMMs.
That's why Noctua made NH-U12S such "skinny" (with densely spaced fins to keep surface area) compared to its predecessor NH-U12P:
Integration of memory controller to CPU mandated DIMM slots to be always near it.

Thermalright uses offset in Macho 120 to allow big loosely spaced fins for low airflow resistance and efficient heat dissipation down to lowest fan speeds:
https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/7810/thermalright-macho-120-sbm-cpu-cooler-review/index5.html
Should be one of the better performing 120mm fan heatsinks for low noise cooling.
Thermalright is one of the older CPU heatsink makers from time before heatsinks because fashion thing and has lots of experience.
And sure comes at good price.
Unlike Noctua making you pay lots for their acoustically mediocre fans.


doyll said:
Alpenfohn Matterhorn Pure is a great cooler for £33.95. It is 138x123x158mm with 6x 6mm heatpipes. H7 is 123x145x98mm with 3x 6mm heatpipes.
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Matterhorn's six heatpipes is overshooting for heatsink's size/surface area.
While on other side Cryorig's three heatpipes is toward other end and might degrade its performance at very high heat loads compared to heatsinks with more heatpipes.
Of course there can be some difference in heat transfer capacity of different heatpipes.
And every heatpipe adds cost so heatsink with more of them might use cheap heatpipes.

Six heatpipes sure don't help Matterhorn in this comparison:
https://overclock3d.net/reviews/cases_cooling/cpu_air_cooler_mega_test/39

Cryorig H7 again has awkward installation which might affect also performance:
"Fitting the H7 is a bit of an odd experience, as unlike most coolers, the work is actually done on the reverse side of the motherboard. Essentially screws are pushed through from the rear, which after adding spacers locate directly into the variable geometry mounting arms of the X-Bar system which are fixed to the cooler. Once fitted, we could still feel a bit of torsional play in the cooler which to us indicated it wasn't clamped as tightly down on the CPU as it could have been."

That just three heatpipes might show in this:
https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/7810/thermalright-macho-120-sbm-cpu-cooler-review/index6.html
With 4770k at stock Cryorig H7 beat NH-U12S coming 1C behind Macho 120. (heatsink fins working better with fan at lower speed?)
With overclocked CPU and increased heatload NH-U12S picked up falling in line with Macho 120 while Cryorig H7 fell behind with 2C difference to Macho 120.
 
Ross Thomson said:
good warranty means good quality as you aren't going to get one without the other.
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Decided warranty length is function of how much profits maker gets from original sales and how many of sold products are expected to fail in that time:
High quality products can be given long warranty because of few failures.
Cheaper lower quality product sold at higher profit margin can allow more failures inside warranty.

And while for example Noctua fans can well keep running for long time sound wise they're mediocre:
With uneven rotation causing vibration (which causes noise) and fashion hype design causing other acoustical quirks.
In comparison very cheap Scythe Slipstreams (original sleeve bearing version) sure don't have long life time... But they rotate very smoothly and don't have any acoustical problems.
With very small motor hub increasing airflow per RPM and lowering frequency of noise because of lower needed RPM.
 
EsaT said:
If "thicker" (in airflow direction) heatsink isn't offset its fan can block some DIMM slots or at least demand low profile DIMMs.
That's why Noctua made NH-U12S such "skinny" (with densely spaced fins to keep surface area) compared to its predecessor NH-U12P:
Integration of memory controller to CPU mandated DIMM slots to be always near it.

Thermalright uses offset in Macho 120 to allow big loosely spaced fins for low airflow resistance and efficient heat dissipation down to lowest fan speeds:
https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/7810/thermalright-macho-120-sbm-cpu-cooler-review/index5.html
Should be one of the better performing 120mm fan heatsinks for low noise cooling.
Thermalright is one of the older CPU heatsink makers from time before heatsinks because fashion thing and has lots of experience.
And sure comes at good price.
Unlike Noctua making you pay lots for their acoustically mediocre fans.


Matterhorn's six heatpipes is overshooting for heatsink's size/surface area.
While on other side Cryorig's three heatpipes is toward other end and might degrade its performance at very high heat loads compared to heatsinks with more heatpipes.
Of course there can be some difference in heat transfer capacity of different heatpipes.
And every heatpipe adds cost so heatsink with more of them might use cheap heatpipes.

Six heatpipes sure don't help Matterhorn in this comparison:
https://overclock3d.net/reviews/cases_cooling/cpu_air_cooler_mega_test/39

Cryorig H7 again has aw installation which might affect also performance:
"Fitting the H7 is a bit of an odd experience, as unlike most coolers, the work is actually done on the reverse side of the motherboard. Essentially screws are pushed through from the rear, which after adding spacers locate directly into the variable geometry mounting arms of the X-Bar system which are fixed to the cooler. Once fitted, we could still feel a bit of torsional play in the cooler which to us indicated it wasn't clamped as tightly down on the CPU as it could have been."

That just three heatpipes might show in this:
https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/7810/thermalright-macho-120-sbm-cpu-cooler-review/index6.html
With 4770k at stock Cryorig H7 beat NH-U12S coming 1C behind Macho 120. (heatsink fins working better with fan at lower speed?)
With overclocked CPU and increased heatload NH-U12S picked up falling in line with Macho 120 while Cryorig H7 fell behind with 2C difference to Macho 120.
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By your logic which I do not agree with coolers like Scythe Mugen have too many heatpipe too.

Any cooler with finpack 25mm or less in front of centerline of CPU will allow a 25mm fan to be mounted on it behind RAM. RAM sockets are almost always 50mm or more in front of CPU centerline. There are lots of coolers with this 25mm finpack measurement. But honestly modern RAM does not need heatspreaders because they don't generate enough heat to need them. Reality is most heatspreaders don't lower RAM temps anway .. and some actually rais RAM temps.

Indeed, Thermalright Macho coolers are very good and quiet. Their Le Grand Macho RT is arguably the best cooling and quietest cooler on the market today.

Thermalright TRUE Spirit coolers are easily as good as NH-U14S and NH-U12S and usually lower priced if you can find them. That is the problem with Thermalright, not many places sell them anymore.

Last time I check Tweaktown they were using room air temp, not the actual temp of air going into cooler. Yeah, they are using an open frame case to test in, but there are several heat sources within a few feet of CPU cooler .. all of which can and do tend to increase air temps around CPU cooler by a few degrees. We need to be very careful about what air temp the delta temps are based on. If it's not cooler intake air temp monitored in real time same as CPU temp, it's going to increase the margin of error by several degrees .. because if cooler intake air temp varies 3-5c, so will CPU temp. ;)

For some reviewers any mount that isn't Hyper 212 is 'awkward' according to some reviewers .. most of whom should not be doing reviews anyway. I've seen a lot of be quiet! cooler reviews where reviewer complained about the little wrench being a real pain in the asp to tighten cooler down .. all because they didn't read the instructions clearly telling them to set cooler on CPU and tighten screws from behind motherboard. :rolleyes:


EsaT said:
Decided warranty length is function of how much profits maker gets from original sales and how many of sold products are expected to fail in that time:
High quality products can be given long warranty because of few failures.
Cheaper lower quality product sold at higher profit margin can allow more failures inside warranty.

And while for example Noctua fans can well keep running for long time sound wise they're mediocre:
With uneven rotation causing vibration (which causes noise) and fashion hype design causing other acoustical quirks.
In comparison very cheap Scythe Slipstreams (original sleeve bearing version) sure don't have long life time... But they rotate very smoothly and don't have any acoustical problems.
With very small motor hub increasing airflow per RPM and lowering frequency of noise because of lower needed RPM.
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Warranty length is often used as marketing ploy because so many people think length of warranty somehow means life expectancy of product. Reality is the number of buyers who will use a 6 year warranty on a product after they have used it for 3 or 4 years is extremely low .. many won't even bother after a couple of years .. and the winner is the company with the super-long warranty influencing potential buyers. :p

The biggest reasons Noctua has a high selling rate are good products and more importantly they have extremely good customer support.

There are many good fans out there besides Slipstream that do not have some fancy named sleeve bearings that last extremely well. Because at the end of the day there are basically 2 kinds of bearings in fans; sleeve and ball .. and now we are beginning to see magnetic levitation bearings.
 
doyll said:
By your logic which I do not agree with coolers like Scythe Mugen have too many heatpipe too.
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Heatpipes only transfer heat, they don't dissipate it.
Dissipating heat needs surface area meaning either more denser spaced fins or bigger fins.
Which again leads to bigger weight of heatsink.
So there's basically certain optimal relationship between surface area and heat transfer capability of heatpipes.

And Mugen is pretty much in "heavyweight/XL" category for 120mm fan heatsinks.
 
EsaT said:
Heatpipes only transfer heat, they don't dissipate it.
Dissipating heat needs surface area meaning either more denser spaced fins or bigger fins.
Which again leads to bigger weight of heatsink.
So there's basically certain optimal relationship between surface area and heat transfer capability of heatpipes.

And Mugen is pretty much in "heavyweight/XL" category for 120mm fan heatsinks.
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Actually heatpipes transport heat from hottest area toward cooler areas of heatpipe .. where it is tranferred to the fins and then to the airflow going through the fins.

Number of heatpipes to fin count, spacing and area is much more complicated then your post indicates saying six heatpipes is overshootin. There are many cooler that work very well with similar heatpipe to fin area as Matterhorn .. most work very well. Prolimatech Armageddon is 6x heatpipes in 144x50x116mm 45 fin finpack vs Matterhorn 134x77x117mm cc 50 fin finpack. 140mm fanned coolers like NH-U14S and Archon IB-E with 8 heatpipes in single thin towers are examples of similar pipe to fin area.

But most of us, myself included don't worry about cooler size or weight. The only times I've see a damaged CPU socket were when system was misshandled / abusively handled like shipping with commercial couriers, someting OcUK does all the time with pre-built systems .. or did last time I checked. If OcUK feels big coolers can be installed on systems and shipped to buyers with the way we all know these couriers handle packages, then I see no reason we should be worried about using big coolers .. because most of us move our systems with a lot more care than Parcel Force or other couriers do. ;)
 
Thank you for all the information,

I have been looking at some other coolers, I am looking into the Thermalright coolers now, could I ask your opinion on these 3?:

-SilverStone Argon AR01
-Gelid solutions Antarctica: maybe the Antarctica is too tall (160 high, the case has 165 clearance)
-Gelid solutions Rev. 4 tranquillo

Here is my build so far: https://uk.************.com/list/scZtwV

Thanks
 
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I have the Cryorig H7 cooling my AMD 1600 @ 3.8ghz.

Seems to do the job really well considering I have a case with bad airflow. Main factor for me was noise level as the standard cooler was too noisy, the H7 is pretty much silent.
 
Does anyone have opinons on these 3 coolers:

-SilverStone Argon AR01
-Gelid solutions Antarctica: maybe the Antarctica is too tall (160 high, the case has 165 clearance)
-Gelid solutions Rev. 4 tranquillo

Thanks
 
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