Boy, 15, admits causing crash in which five people died

Jamesyboyjim · 13 Dec 2017 at 13:59

danoliver1 said:
At least they only killed themselves and not some innocent bystanders.

My thoughts too. Sad as it is to say, rather a tree than an innocent family coming the other way.

Vonhelmet · 13 Dec 2017 at 14:01

VincentHanna said:
I know what you are saying, but in this case I really don't see how the second part of the sentence lessens the first statement.

Unless you are saying it's a shame that he will be guilty? Why is that a shame?

It's arguably a shame for the guilty party because he will have to live with the guilt for the rest of his life. He may never get over it. He may prefer to be dead, and it's not outside the bounds of possibility that he will kill himself as a result, as some people do in similar circumstances.

That's very different to simply saying that it's a shame he didn't die, as though you feel it would be fitting for him to die for his actions, like some sort of extra-judicial death penalty.

bloodiedathame · 13 Dec 2017 at 14:08

Vonhelmet said:
It's arguably a shame for the guilty party because he will have to live with the guilt for the rest of his life. He may never get over it. He may prefer to be dead, and it's not outside the bounds of possibility that he will kill himself as a result, as some people do in similar circumstances.

That's very different to simply saying that it's a shame he didn't die, as though you feel it would be fitting for him to die for his actions, like some sort of extra-judicial death penalty.

Thank you. My point exactly.

VincentHanna · 13 Dec 2017 at 14:12

Tough luck, he did the crime so he can do the time.

Vonhelmet · 13 Dec 2017 at 14:15

VincentHanna said:
Tough luck, he did the crime so he can do the time.

Definitely not gonna argue with that...

VincentHanna · 13 Dec 2017 at 14:18

But I don't blame the 12 year old.He might have been a scummy little oik for all I know, but you are easily led at that age by your peers.

Vonhelmet · 13 Dec 2017 at 14:22

VincentHanna said:
But I don't blame the 12 year old.He might have been a scummy little oik for all I know, but you are easily led at that age by your peers.

Nope, his fault. You know at that age that you're not really supposed to be driving a car.

DomBruv · 13 Dec 2017 at 14:23

Kids these days. This is very heartbreaking but definitely does not surprise me at all. The kids of today are getting more and more out of control.

Mason- · 13 Dec 2017 at 14:27

Yeah I don't buy it either. Fairly sure the majority of 12/14 year olds know that driving around in a stolen car is not a good thing. And yes, they may be easily led, that's why they have these things called parents which are supposed to stop them doing bad things.

MooMoo444 · 13 Dec 2017 at 14:38

Six people in a Clio? Can't imagine it would have been the most comfortable experience.

VincentHanna · 13 Dec 2017 at 14:38

Vonhelmet said:
Nope, his fault. You know at that age that you're not really supposed to be driving a car.

The 12 year old was the passenger..

Vonhelmet · 13 Dec 2017 at 14:46

VincentHanna said:
The 12 year old was the passenger..

My mistake.

Even more so, at age 15, you definitely know. No question.

Haggisman · 13 Dec 2017 at 15:08

bainbridge said:
They were kids and made a mistake with terrible consequences.

At 12 I certainly knew the difference between right and wrong, hell even my 5 year old knows it's wrong to a) steal a car and b) drive it without a licence.

A mistake is doing something accidentally or because you weren't paying attention, it may have been a mistake that they ended up hitting the tree, but don't pretend you're naive enough to think that them joyriding was a "mistake"; they knew exactly what they were doing.

Yes it's a shame they died, but ultimately the road is now a (marginally) safer place for the rest of us

glenimp617 · 13 Dec 2017 at 15:14

I'm please those kind of people aren't around.

I feel sorry for the cars owner.

dirtychinchilla · 13 Dec 2017 at 15:14

Vonhelmet said:
To be fair, this will be the defining event as far as their lives are concerned. Dead at the hands of their idiot friend.

Yes, sadly.

glenimp617 · 13 Dec 2017 at 15:24

Can't get ebony and ivory out of my head now

Maccy · 13 Dec 2017 at 15:25

I don't think this thread is going down the right path, sort it out guys or it'll go.

danoliver1 · 13 Dec 2017 at 15:27

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-42337838
If you need to know what they look like.

Orionaut · 13 Dec 2017 at 15:31

bainbridge said:
They were kids and made a mistake with terrible consequences.

A "Mistake" is when you drop a bottle of milk because you didnt dry your hands properly after washing them. This was not a "Mistake"

I wonder how many previous convictions each of this lovely little group had?

Avenged7Fold · 13 Dec 2017 at 15:44

Terribly sad for family and friends.

The boy is an absolute idiot for it. We have all done stupid or dangerous things as a youth. Losing control of the car was a mistake but the theft, driving when you can't drive and possibly the speeding in a residential area were all decisions.