Tree will be scarred for life but should survive despite losing such a large patch of bark.
Boy, 15, admits causing crash in which five people died
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Tree will be scarred for life but should survive despite losing such a large patch of bark.
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Could have said "wish we weren't such ****** role models" though, which clearly is the case. Shoddy upbringing.
Eh?
When friends and relatives die it's not the time or place to talk trash to people or organisations that seek to broadcast it. They aren't your friends, far from it.
Here we are ogling over it looking for deep meaningful personal exposure of weakness but generally people don't want to share. They're selfish like that.
So we're left speculating and hoping that a sufficiently incisive interviewer can get through their guard.
When friends and relatives die it's not the time or place to talk trash to people or organisations that seek to broadcast it. They aren't your friends, far from it.
Here we are ogling over it looking for deep meaningful personal exposure of weakness but generally people don't want to share. They're selfish like that.
So we're left speculating and hoping that a sufficiently incisive interviewer can get through their guard.
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Drugs? No great loss to the UK population, burdens on the taxpayer in the making. At least they managed to just top themselves, and not other road users.
My sympathy goes to the poor sod who had their car nicked and destroyed.
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yeah but is he bovvered though?
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Sometimes a person's entire purpose in life is to be an object lesson to others.
24 year old hanging around with 12 & 14 year olds? Nonce.
24 year old hanging around with 12 & 14 year olds? Nonce.
Doubt it, people who do things like this always try to find somebody else to blame when it all goes horribly wrong. (You know, Its the polices fault I ran over those people while trying to escape, they shouldn't have been chasing me etc, etc)
Give it six months and he and the other relatives will be trying to sue the local authority for not having a crash barrier round the tree.
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Unfortunately these sort of dross don't do regret, and the courts are loathe to do consequence, so they remain feral ad infinitum unless culled by accident or vendetta.
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Like Jon Venables perhaps? Is he inwardly repentant, contrite and humbled, although outwardly still a serious serial offender, showing no remorse or apology...? I'm afraid it's the actions of these people that affect the rest of us, not their inner emotional grappling.
Lifelong driving ban would be a fair punishment. Caught driving? Back inside you go.
I guess but how much can you take from a guy like that
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Personally I'd take all his major organs and three quarts of blood, whilst he's still alive, then burn both his remains and his eviscerations.
They should both have been euthanased after the trial.
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Not think a 15 year old can be influenced by others and maybe change his way?
Anecdotal I know. But have been told by a Lawyer I know that Legal academics are generally uncomfortable with the idea of lengthy driving bans as a punishment. Basically because in many cases, sheer economic necessity results in people breaking the ban and, even if they hadn't done anything else wrong, thus ending up in a legal spiral of destruction that is difficult to recover from.
Now, I think I have made myself reasonably clear that, for wider society anyway, a better outcome would have been for him not to have survived. But given that he has we really have two options. Either lock him up for the rest of his days or consider the possibility that some sort of reformation is possible and that he might yet become a worthwhile member of society (My own opinion is that this is about as likely as ET joining me for Christmas dinner, but that's not the point)
If we are going to consider reformation as an option, then the light at the end of that particular tunnel for him is that he might, one day, be able to live life just like everybody else. And yes, that does include the ability to operate a vehicle as long as he is medically fit and technically competent to do so.
(There are cases where I would consider lifetime driving bans, I might for instance consider them appropriate for sex offenders, but the motivation for the ban here is more than just punishment)
I can think of plenty of appropriate punishments for this case, but a lifetime driving ban is probably not one of them...