Boy, 15, admits causing crash in which five people died

SexyGreyFox · 13 Dec 2017 at 18:02

bloodiedathame said:
Because it's totally out of context. Saying that 'it's a shame that someone didn't die because they have to live with the consequences', is very different from saying 'It's a shame they didn't die because of their actions'. By only quoting the first part it's too easy to misconstrue.

It happens all the time on here, selective quoting.
In my case I get selective quoting and then they add bits.

Vonhelmet said:
My mistake.

Even more so, at age 15, you definitely know. No question.

I worked in a Juvenile Prison and some of them don't.
It was a very sad 6 months of my life and I came out of there thinking there's no hope for some.

Dis86 · 13 Dec 2017 at 18:06

Vonhelmet said:
Lifelong driving ban would be a fair punishment. Caught driving? Back inside you go.

Yeah except in the real world criminals don't care.
Nor do courts.

Driving bans are totally pointless when handed out to someone who doesn't care about the law.

Vonhelmet · 13 Dec 2017 at 18:12

Dis86 said:
Yeah except in the real world criminals don't care.
Nor do courts.

Driving bans are totally pointless when handed out to someone who doesn't care about the law.

Alas, you’re right.

There needs to be something better than being allowed to use a car again after proving yourself manifestly incompetent to do so.

Vonhelmet · 13 Dec 2017 at 18:13

amigafan2003 said:
Encouraging the younger ones to steal it?

Perhaps hoping they could get away with it on the basis that the kid’s a minor so if they get gripped they’ll be less severely punished.

Dis86 · 13 Dec 2017 at 18:19

Vonhelmet said:
Perhaps hoping they could get away with it on the basis that the kids a minor so if they get gripped they’ll be less severely punished.

It's funny you say that as I witnessed that exact thing this weekend.

I was shopping in the metrocentre and had noticed a lot of "Irish travellers". Anyways one couple with three kids ended up in the shop I was in and I clocked the kids hiding things in their pushchairs and pockets clearly under the direction of the parents. Security collared them and they kicked up a right scene but obviously the adults had nothing in them so made a show of telling off the kids.

Vonhelmet · 13 Dec 2017 at 18:26

Dis86 said:
It's funny you say that as I witnessed that exact thing this weekend.

I was shopping in the metrocentre and had noticed a lot of "Irish travellers". Anyways one couple with three kids ended up in the shop I was in and I clocked the kids hiding things in their pushchairs and pockets clearly under the direction of the parents. Security collared them and they kicked up a right scene but obviously the adults had nothing in them so made a show of telling off the kids.

There was a story a few years back about a woman who had trained her toddler to shoplift for her. I think it was cds she got done for. It was something to do with her picking up the thing she wanted and then putting it back, whereupon the child would pick it up and put it under their blanket in their buggy or something. I think she was jailed, but I forget.

geekman · 13 Dec 2017 at 18:35

Why is it that when people like this die, "cheeky chappie" automatically replaces "thieving waste of space who makes everyone else's lives a misery"?

I'm sure a lot of you won't agree with me, but I can't summon up even an ounce of sadness in situations like this: we all know exactly how these people would have turned out when they got older. The only sad thing is that nobody can do anything to change them.

FoxEye · 13 Dec 2017 at 19:09

bainbridge said:
They were kids and made a mistake with terrible consequences.

The "mistake" was GTA. We wouldn't (I hope) say that accidentally killing a pensioner by pushing them down a flight of stairs was "making a terrible mistake".

GTA, driving without insurance - or any driving ability - no doubt at *speed*... that's not a "mistake". That's reckless criminal behaviour.

Uther · 13 Dec 2017 at 19:22

I am struggling to find much sympathy TBH. Would they have grown up to be fine upstanding citizens? Somehow I doubt it. They belong to a lost generation who seem to think normal rules of society don't apply to them.

TheVoice · 13 Dec 2017 at 19:26

FoxEye said:
The "mistake" was GTA. We wouldn't (I hope) say that accidentally killing a pensioner by pushing them down a flight of stairs was "making a terrible mistake".

GTA, driving without insurance - or any driving ability - no doubt at *speed*... that's not a "mistake". That's reckless criminal behaviour.

Sorry, what does this have to do with GTA?

Nitefly · 13 Dec 2017 at 19:29

Some pretty dark comments in this thread.

If anger is aimed at anyone, surely it’s the adults in the vehicle? Not the children.

VincentHanna · 13 Dec 2017 at 19:33

TheVoice said:
Sorry, what does this have to do with GTA?

He means Grand Theft Auto...which is an American term for stealing a car.

Not the game.

Roland Butter · 13 Dec 2017 at 19:36

They were kids and made a mistake with terrible consequences.

It's worth quoting that again as I didn't believe it the first time.

So ingrained is their inability to be judgemental or even have an opinion, I bet the author of this limp wristed pean to forgiveness would blithely utter the same flaccid platitude had this little scumbag mown down a bus stop full of schoolkids .

TheVoice · 13 Dec 2017 at 19:37

VincentHanna said:
He means Grand Theft Auto...which is an American term for stealing a car.

Not the game.

I figured, just couldn't work out why he was using the term.

Malevolence · 13 Dec 2017 at 19:39

When I was that age I never even dreamt of getting in a stolen car, inciting the wrath of my Mother and her solid wood Scholls was more than enough deterrent. Guess these little parasites will have to live with the consequences of their actions. Oh wait, no they won't.

Johno please? · 13 Dec 2017 at 19:49

Evangelion said:
So this filthy little scrote lost control of a car, and killed everyone in it except himself:

That might go some way towards explaining the moral compass they inherited from their family and friends.

Couldn't agree more, I feel sorry for the little kids that died, couldn't care less about the stupid adults who should have known better.

bloodiedathame · 13 Dec 2017 at 19:54

Nitefly said:
Some pretty dark comments in this thread.

If anger is aimed at anyone, surely it’s the adults in the vehicle? Not the children.

That's very true.

Dis86 · 13 Dec 2017 at 20:37

Nitefly said:
Some pretty dark comments in this thread.

If anger is aimed at anyone, surely it’s the adults in the vehicle? Not the children.

Ah yes. Children can never do wrong.

Remind me, who killed Jamie bulger.

FoxEye · 13 Dec 2017 at 20:41

TheVoice said:
I figured, just couldn't work out why he was using the term.

Because I can

It rolls off the tongue much better than "theft of vehicle", which is the UK term. It sounds much more impressive to boot.

Nitefly · 13 Dec 2017 at 21:03

Dis86 said:
Ah yes. Children can never do wrong.

Remind me, who killed Jamie bulger.

*insert image of Mexican pear*

Edit - to be slightly more helpful... lol wut?? How did you even get that from my post?