First McDonalds, now Butlins

Yaayuh! · 14 Dec 2017 at 09:27

antijoke said:
It's not discrimination at all, facts are it's dangerous and could cause serious injury if it got caught on something.

Don't see the issue to be honest.

Why isn't it noted down in safety code for the ride and/or displayed to the public if it's a known hazard.

Vonhelmet · 14 Dec 2017 at 09:27

antijoke said:
We basing that on the words of the father alone with zero evidence of other people riding the dodgems with loose articles of clothing like scarves?

In which case I’m sure Butlins will prove that no one is ever allowed on a ride with any loose bit of clothing with trivial ease...

After all, they have probably have cctv, so I’m sure they can produce literally days of footage showing people being told to remove their non-hijab loose clothing, right?

Yaayuh! · 14 Dec 2017 at 09:29

stockhausen said:
[LINK] for those who have difficulties with Google.

Oh please. :rolleyes:

Don't put that on us. If you're creating a thread like this, provide the source in the OP as you post it.

antijoke · 14 Dec 2017 at 09:31

Rossi~ said:
Why isn't it noted down in safety code for the ride and/or displayed to the public if it's a known hazard.

Vonhelmet said:
In which case I’m sure Butlins will prove that no one is ever allowed on a ride with any loose bit of clothing with trivial ease...

After all, they have probably have cctv, so I’m sure they can produce literally days of footage showing people being told to remove their non-hijab loose clothing, right?

Well I can't speak for Butlins, but when the local travelling fairs come to town in October people (white people SHOCK HORROR) have been told to remove their scarves before riding the dodgems, I also saw someone remove their scalf at the Winter Wonderland in London before they were allowed to ride.

Vonhelmet · 14 Dec 2017 at 09:31

antijoke said:
Well I can't speak for Butlins, but when the local travelling fairs come to town in October people (white people SHOCK HORROR) have been told to remove their scarves before riding the dodgems, I also saw someone remove their scalf at the Winter Wonderland in London before they were allowed to ride.

A scarf is not a hijab.

Besides, I’ve no complaints if a policy is consistently applied. The point in this case, never mind your travelling fair, is that it wasn’t.

antijoke · 14 Dec 2017 at 09:32

Vonhelmet said:
A scarf is not a hijab.

No **** Sherlock.

Vonhelmet · 14 Dec 2017 at 09:33

antijoke said:
No **** Sherlock.

No **** yourself. A scarf is far more likely to be loose and flapping around than a hijab.

Yaayuh! · 14 Dec 2017 at 09:33

antijoke said:
Well I can't speak for Butlins, but when the local travelling fairs come to town in October people (white people SHOCK HORROR) have been told to remove their scarves before riding the dodgems, I also saw someone remove their scalf at the Winter Wonderland in London before they were allowed to ride.

When I went on my made up trip to a theme park, we were allowed to stand on the dodgems, flail our arms about and wave flags.

Vonhelmet · 14 Dec 2017 at 09:34

Rossi~ said:
When I went on my made up trip to a theme park, we were allowed to stand on the dodgems, flail our arms about and wave flags.

Was it in a pub car park in Shropshire by any chance?

Sliver · 14 Dec 2017 at 09:34

Rossi~ said:
Why isn't it noted down in safety code for the ride and/or displayed to the public if it's a known hazard.

This. It would avoid situations like this as people would see the restrictions before queuing for the ride.

LabR@t · 14 Dec 2017 at 09:36

stockhausen said:
A security guard at McDonalds recently decided that someone wearing a hijab might pose a security threat.
Butlins have now announced that wearing a hijab might pose a health and safety threat:
Both cases smack of discrimination on racial or religious grounds. In the interests of avoiding any question of discrimination would the UK be wisest to follow lead of the secular French and ban the wearing of all religious items in public?

[LINK] for those who have difficulties with Google.

Are you allowed to wear a normal scarf on the ride

Yes / no

The answer for that gives you the correct outcome,.

LabR@t · 14 Dec 2017 at 09:41

Simply ban it everywhere. No place for repressive dress code it the 21st century.

413x · 14 Dec 2017 at 09:43

Anything (anything) that covers face should be banned. Like you can wear a motorcycle helmet on bike but have to take it off when not in use.

Head scarf shouldn't be banned as there is no need, it doesn't cover the face.

Banning all religious icons in government buildings? That's fine too.

VincentHanna · 14 Dec 2017 at 09:46

LabR@t said:
Simply ban it everywhere. No place for repressive dress code it the 21st century.

Ban this sick filth

antijoke · 14 Dec 2017 at 09:52

For what's it worth as well, it is plainly stated at the booth you buy your tokens from that all loose clothing is either removed or secured before riding.

And yes I know hijab's generally are not loose, but in this mad world of H&S someone was probably just trying to be safe.

Rossi~ said:
When I went on my made up trip to a theme park, we were allowed to stand on the dodgems, flail our arms about and wave flags.

So you're saying I'm lying?

Vonhelmet said:
No **** yourself. A scarf is far more likely to be loose and flapping around than a hijab.

Indeed, yet we only have the fathers word someone was riding with a scarf...

Vonhelmet · 14 Dec 2017 at 09:52

VincentHanna said:
Ban this sick filth

I look forward to the thoughtcrime element of determining whether a close fitting headscarf is being worn for religious reasons or not.

Avenged7Fold · 14 Dec 2017 at 09:54

LabR@t said:
Simply ban it everywhere. No place for repressive dress code it the 21st century.

You think banning a garment that some women may choose to wear out of modesty would fight repression?

Quite the mental gymnastics there. If women were being forced to wear them, a law isn't going to change anything and you simply punish the victim. If they wear them out of choice (like most do in this country) then you are simply repressing their freedoms by law...

Yaayuh! · 14 Dec 2017 at 09:54

antijoke said:
So you're saying I'm lying?

I'm merely pointing it out that it's easy to make up a story to backup your argument.

Vonhelmet · 14 Dec 2017 at 09:55

antijoke said:
Indeed, yet we only have the fathers word someone was riding with a scarf...

Its a shame they’ve cancelled crimewatch. We could have had a reconstruction and an appeal for any witnesses who saw a man wearing a scarf on the dodgems.

Jamauk · 14 Dec 2017 at 09:58

There is nothing wrong with the Hijab, there are similar items of clothing used in all cultures see post by @VincentHanna. I don't quite get how health and safety is the issue either although it's difficult to make a final decision on the dodgems, it does sound to me like it is health and safety gone mad!

The Burka on the other hand I disagree with as it firstly is incredibly opressive, and secondly quite a security risk - think how people have to take helmets off in banks, etc. (THIS IS NOT BEING RACIST ISLAM IS NOT A RACE IT'S A RELIGION)