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Exactly
Boy, 15, admits causing crash in which five people died
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Because it's an non to obvious attempt to seek to minimise and excuse this criminal act...
No worries...
Those perps will have better rights (and all the help they ask) than victim and victim's family who no doubt get kicked to head lot by bureaucrats before all medical treatments etc. are over.
Would be time to go back to more civilized time when those who failed to respect others got their rights subordinated under rights others.
Here in Finland some retarded flower hats have even gotten into law something basically called as "unauthorized use" which is as what this stealing of car would be treated by lawyers.
'The 16-year-old was later given a Detention and Training Order and disqualified from driving for five years. The 12-year-old was given a Youth Referral Order.'
Really inspires confidence that the perpetrator for the incident in question in this thread will receive an appropriate sentence........
Flower hats sounds like a brilliant direct translation of something.
Anyway. We have "taking without owners consent" in the UK, or "twocking", which sounds like much the same thing. That came about because it is very hard, in the case of joyriding, to prove a charge of theft which requires evidence of intent to "permanently deprive" someone of their property. The criminal could just claim that they were just taking the car to drive it around and were going to return it at some unspecified time, so there was no intent to permanently deprive the owner of their car. I don't know how the sentencing guidelines for twocking compare to actual theft.
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Two years maximum then, so even if he gets the maximum sentence for each death the scum will still be out in five or so years, but you just know he won't get the maximum for each charge and will serve each sentence concurrently. Which means he could be out on licence in a year.
It also means his conviction will become spent in a fairly short period of time, meaning he will have a clean record in adult life, despite killing 5 people.
Also wouldn't he serve the sentences concurrently? As they all arose from the same incident.
I know it sounds silly and counter-intuitive given that the car crashed, but is it a dead-cert that he could be prosecuted for dangerous driving? Vs a loss of control due to gross inexperience/incompetence. Which could in itself be reasonably considered dangerous, but IANAL
If he was within the speed limit but simply reacted badly to something that happened, swerved and crashed, does it follow that it was death by dangerous driving?I guess you could make the same kind of argument for newly qualified drivers who crash without driving recklessly, but simply make a bad decision that causes them to lose control.
They’ve charged him with it, which is a good indication that they think they can make it stick. He’s going to need a very good lawyer to defend him, and even then I would expect the lawyer to be on damage limitation and trying to mitigate rather than outright exonerate. I imagine they’ll argue coercion and peer pressure and so on, but I can’t see a jury finding him not guilty with 5 bodies in the morgue. The prosecution will make a play of how much worse it could have been if he’d hit another car or pedestrians or whatever. It’ll then come down to what sentence the judge passes, which is where the mitigation will come in. I expect it will be more about arguing how long he serves, rather than whether he’s guilty of not.
Way to follow out of context quotes, arranged to provoke reaction. 'Clap, clap'
Little picture painting, Reporter:- "Were you proud of the boys as a GrandMother?" GrandMother:-"No they were little scrotes, who deserved everything they got."
There is also the charge of 'Aggravated Vehicle Taking' which is being increasingly used.
Twock sentencing -
Level of seriousness
Starting Point Range Disqualification
Category 1 High level community order Medium level community order – 26 weeks’ custody
Consider disqualification
9 to 12 months
(Extend if imposing immediate custody)
Category 2
Medium level community order Low level community order – High level community order
Consider disqualification
5 to 8 months
Category 3 Low level community order Band B fine – Medium level community order Consider disqualification
Aggravated Vehicle Taking sentencing guidelines -
Triable either way
Maximum when tried summarily: Level 5 fine and/or 6 months
Maximum when tried on indictment: 2 years; 14 years if accident caused death
- Must endorse and disqualify for at least 12 months
- Must disqualify for at least 2 years if offender has had two or more disqualifications for periods of 56 days or more in preceding 3 years – refer to explanatory material on obligatory disqualification and consult your legal adviser for further guidance
Examples of nature of activity Starting point Range
Taken vehicle involved in single incident of bad driving where little or no damage or risk of personal injury High level community order Medium level community order to 12 weeks custody
Taken vehicle involved in incident(s) involving excessive speed or showing off, especially on busy roads or in built-up area 18 weeks custody 12 to 26 weeks custody
Taken vehicle involved in prolonged bad driving involving deliberate disregard for safety of others Crown Court Crown Court
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It's a complete tragedy...........
......1 survived.
......1 survived.
Sadly boyracer/joyriders killing other people this time(though it looks like most of them were also killed).
Looks like from the photos they lost control of their car and had a head on with a taxi on the other side of the road killing all three occupants.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-42383464
Looks like from the photos they lost control of their car and had a head on with a taxi on the other side of the road killing all three occupants.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-42383464
I said to a friend earlier I hope this doesn't turn out to be another joyrider, as that was my initial thought as they must have been doing a hell of a speed to cause that wreckage
Horrific accident
It was my guess as well.
RIP to all those involved.
A car in Birmingham travelling at the sort of speed required to create that level of carnage, was almost certainly nicked.
Sorry, I really *really* despise Brum and 95% of the people in it... Funnily enough, the few nice people from that area who I do know, hold the same view of their home city... Real cesspool.
if you'd said you despised 95% of Russians you'd not hear the end of it. given it's Brummies though you should be ok.RIP to all those involved.
A car in Birmingham travelling at the sort of speed required to create that level of carnage, was almost certainly nicked.
Sorry, I really *really* despise Brum and 95% of the people in it... Funnily enough, the few nice people from that area who I do know, hold the same view of their home city... Real cesspool.