I like your house, when you inviting me over in my zebra print onsie and leopard print slippers? (I won't be wearing anything underneath)
First McDonalds, now Butlins
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I like your house, when you inviting me over in my zebra print onsie and leopard print slippers? (I won't be wearing anything underneath)
Religion seems to be a get-out-of-jail card. The amount of pubs in my area that won't allow hoodies is immense.
Race card+religion card = royal flush
Not really on-thread, but under your avatar, it says you’re from London.
I don’t know from which part, but I live in inner SE London, near Tower Bridge, and pubs around here have been going to the wall in droves, I’d imagine that the ones still trading might not like hoodie wearers, but they’d welcome guys in full SS uniform if they came in with enough money to buy a drink.
Not sure that your comment is particularly relevant really.
It's pretty clear that religion is on the decline in the more developed countries of the world.
Something like the following article points towards this:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/maps-and-graphics/most-religious-countries-in-the-world/
There are plenty of other articles and studies relating to this if you bother to look.
It is also pretty clear that religion causes a great deal of conflict. I don't see it as a sign of any bad intentions to wish that we could move on past religion.
Not that I think that McDonalds/Butlins/whoever are dealing with these issues particularly well, but the point still remains.
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It appears extremely difficult to fault your logic here, but it’s
dollars to doughnuts that someone will be along soon to try.
Its entirely relevant when you’re hoping to get rid of religion for the good of society, without any regard for any good it might already be achieving.
I’d also say you’re kidding yourself if you think getting rid of religion would usher in some great time of peace and prosperity.
To be fair to him, although religion has had a huge impact on the development of society, is the foundation of Western civilisation and is not only about the supernatural but also has had a significant influence in bringing together people under shared culture, traditions and celebrations and has also done a lot of good it is the 'in' thing to blame everything on religion and pretend that we'd be superior beings living in complete peace and harmony without it.
Where did I say that getting rid of religion would usher in some great time of peace and prosperity?
Also, where did I say that we should "get rid" of religion?
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A belief in one or more supernatural beings goes back to the earliest days of mankind when an explanation for natural disasters (floods, drought, crop failure, etc.) was sought.
Charlatans then exploited these primitive beliefs to their advantage by claiming to be able to "manage" the Gods with sacrifices of goats, cows, virgins, etc.
This then progressed on to the divine right of Kings and an exploitative theory propagated by the Church that no matter how awful your life as a starving peasant on Earth was, by behaving yourself, by praying and financing the clergy you would reap the justified rewards in Heaven.
As to western civilisation, religion put a great deal of effort into manipulating science; was responsible for the Crusades, causing conflict and bloodshed between Catholics and Protestants for centuries, the Holocaust, Homophobia, the denigration of apple fancying, snake loving women, etc., etc.
No doubt religion around the world has done some good in the past. However, it has also done a great deal of harm and Western and other Civilisations should have moved on to some better reason for behaving fairly for the benefit of mankind than an irrational belief in some all-powerful, all-seeing, infallible, vengeful imaginary superbeing.
Get rid of the protection of religion now - you know it makes sense!
Ok, so you just think it’ll be lovely if religion dies out of its own accord.
Where did I say it would be "lovely"? Stop putting words in my mouth please. Is this some sort of smear campaign?
Ok, fair cop. You said that the sooner everyone becomes an atheist the sooner we won’t have to deal with this sort of nonsense. That seems an awful lot to give up just to avoid the odd anti discrimination lawsuit.Where did I say it would be "lovely"? Stop putting words in my mouth please. Is this some sort of smear campaign?
Well it isn't anything to give up for me because I'm an atheist. I can only assume from that comment that you follow a religion.
We are not only talking about avoiding the odd anti discrimination lawsuit are we though? There are plenty of other negatives that derive from religion that are a lot more serious than an anti discrimination lawsuit.
Overall I think humans will always do bad things to each other, but why give them a convenient excuse? Religion provides legitimacy, which is a problem.
I suppose it comes down to whether you feel the positives that religion brings outweigh the negatives, but if you follow a religion then you are inherently biased towards it. I really don't care what religious people do provided it doesn't harm anyone or bleed out into the rest of society and cause problems for people, but the problem is that it does harm people and it is bleeding out into the rest of society and causing problems.