The precipice of British folly

Caporegime
Joined
18 Mar 2008
Posts
32,844
The sheer volume of embarrassment over the past decade has to make you wonder just how much more decent rational people can take with respect to living in this awful (relatively) country?

I have only been able to be mildly happy recently due to the amazing arrival of rent controls in Scotland, making me particularly hopeful for once that indeed, the populace does win eventually.

We have awful fire regulations and a culture of delinquency/incompetence from councils towards it's residents (Grenfell); awful rent structure (elsewhere) with a growing rental volume (mostly young people); awful building regulations (recent new build quality is third world level trash); our navy is grounded in port because it leaks too much or can't operate in warm water; our soldiers in the middle east had outdated equipment and thus were sent to die (basically); we have a homelessness epidemic that is very visible and depressing; people using foodbanks has soared; massive amount of child abuse finally being dealt with (depressing); draconian surveillance laws for <0.01% of people that effect everyone else for little benefit; parliament being usurped by non-binding refferenda regardless that it is itself "sovereign"; MP's being sacked/resigned left/right & center for things they should have been sacked yonks ago (too many to list at this point); MP's expense scandal; MP's sexual misconduct scandal; MP's getting paid to represent issues in parliament; PFI is a joke that costs the country billions; NHS is being purposely destroyed like the Railways were to make way for profit industry; Opoid epidemic being imported from the US; Media caught for hacking and barely hurt by the affair; Media constantly pushing clickbaity views as worthwhile news; Workplaces are awful and you sell your soul to get either crap pay/no benefits or are overworked/easily replaced because the worker has no respectable power; selling our energy security to the highest bidders (China, Qatar, SA etc)... That is off the top of my head, there are probably thousands more issues that a respectable modern forward looking nation shouldn't even contemplate as being socially acceptable or appropriate.

It's clearly obvious to me that some aspects of government have realised that the monster they've allowed to brew is no longer controllable (large swaths of the public who are eagerly misinformed and ready to be nationalistic fascists regardless of the irony of some of the statements they tend to make) and are simply directing it at other parts of society, away from them as they know the rational wedge of society is too busy/doesn't care enough to act on it.

It can no longer be assumed that this level of incompetence is viable for anyone for so long, why would the Tories constantly consolidate their voting potential in the dying half of the population while simultaneously destroy it in the other half?... it beggars belief, it must simply be ego.

How long can we reasonably be before we just say no? Can it even be saved from this idiocy, is that even worth it?

/rant after a long break from caring about any of this, but as usual it just gets worse.
 
I think this country is better than most! Go see the world, come back and you’ll appreciate it like you never before.

If you think it’s that awful, you can say no now and leave? why do you stay?
 
I said relatively for a reason, i am not reasonably ever going to compare it to the vast majority of nations, just other similar ones. Unfortunately most Anglo-centric nations have the same petty issues we seem to have, so they're probably not good for comparison either...

But we shouldn't have to accept this level brash stupidity when we have some of the most intelligent people in the world.
 
Welcome to humanity. Very few people out there have the magical combination of competence, kindness and self-awareness; and those that do have a hard time as they see the remainder's failing everywhere. Worsening this, people that strive for power are usually those that are least suited to it and they make everything worse. Growing up into an unfair world, and learning to accept it, has been one of the great struggles of my thirties and I'm still not quite there.

My best tip so far is to stop reading all news and let yourself enjoy the genuinely brilliant country we live in. For all its problems it is still Eden compared to 90% of the world and 99.9r% of history.
 
The sheer volume of embarrassment over the past decade has to make you wonder just how much more decent rational people can take with respect to living in this awful (relatively) country?

.

Leave then !

I love living in England, people like you, moaning about it make me sick.

BYE!
 
A marxist society is definitely not the solution, just one that works is good enough, rather than one that knows it has a good selection of talent and opinions, yet chooses to be completely oblivious anyway.
 
A marxist society is definitely not the solution, just one that works is good enough, rather than one that knows it has a good selection of talent and opinions, yet chooses to be completely oblivious anyway.

No matter what model you choose it's never going to work for everyone.

So what's your specific personal problem you have with the current system?

Edit; it was a poor choice on my part in using the word solution. I should have said alternative.
 
No matter what model you choose it's never going to work for everyone.

So what's your specific personal problem you have with the current system?

Complete lack of introspection and decent models of policies before they're let loose on the country (David Davis's awful insight to this culture has made it abundantly clear that its purely ideology at play now), wheres the rationality in that?

We play the cat and mouse game in governing and it needs to stop.
 
A marxist society is the solution.

But, be careful what you wish for.

Not really Marxism is an attempt to brute force the failings in human nature, etc. - it doesn't work.

Only when a broad number of people see society from the bigger perspective will we ever have any hope.
 
I said relatively for a reason, i am not reasonably ever going to compare it to the vast majority of nations, just other similar ones. Unfortunately most Anglo-centric nations have the same petty issues we seem to have, so they're probably not good for comparison either...

But we shouldn't have to accept this level brash stupidity when we have some of the most intelligent people in the world.

Like what? Who are you comparing to?

Last few years I’ve been to Italy’s, Spain, Portugal, Germany, Czech Republic, Demark, Sweden, USA, Japan and China and I would really only live in Japan if I had to immigrate.

Seriously, get out of your house and travel a bit and see the world for real and not read the Daily Mail.
 
Last edited:
You do know basically every single country in the world has problems and most of them have worse problems than us.
 
Complete lack of introspection and decent models of policies before they're let loose on the country (David Davis's awful insight to this culture has made it abundantly clear that its purely ideology at play now), wheres the rationality in that?

We play the cat and mouse game in governing and it needs to stop.

You didn't answer my question.
 
You do know basically every single country in the world has problems and most of them have worse problems than us.

Having travelled a little in many ways I don't think we sometimes realise quite how good we do have it here on the other hand in some ways it makes some of the BS, incompetence and stupidity even less acceptable.
 
You didn't answer my question.

Pretty sure i did, the lack of parliament caring about it's own decisions as anything other than "neat little ideas to try out as part of my distinct ideology" is a disaster when running a country that isn't composed of illiterate people.

It needs to be clear and concise what the government plans to do and their expected outcome, no lies, no deceit, no nothing other than a reasonable conclusion you could turn into an abstract in a scientific journal. Anything less should be treated with vitriol and distaste.

It's apparently "difficult" for our very well taught group of people in Westminster to achieve.
 
I left and honestly I get more and more anglophobic as time passes. I can't stand the bureaucracy and sanctimonious political correctness. Although I miss the English summer, lack of dangerous animals and that British calmness/sensibility. There's no where quite like the UK, it's a special place and I understand why the British have a certain smug and disconnected mindset. I still think of it as sort of the default country of Earth. The master country. All other countries are just quaint or novel places for British people to visit for whimsy.

Where I live now would terrify most Brits, in fact I'm often ask If I'm not scared living here with all the guns, rednecks, churches and zero diversity. They think it's like Deliverance.
 
New Labour and the internet made it that way. Maybe your just seeing the dark side though, easy to do. I'm going to take a guess that there were just as much if not more poverty pre New Labour, i.e the 80's and 90s. Overall it's a good deal, good schools and universities and plenty of job opportunities.
 
Back
Top Bottom