Apple slows your iPhone down "to conserve battery"

asim18 · 30 Dec 2017 at 15:14

mrochester said:
I criticise where it's warranted. I don't engage in fake outrage or conspiracy theories.

The fact that it can get up to 50% slower is a demonstrable fact.

Your idea that 50% slower is "normal, just slower" "and you can still play that game, just slower" is purely theoretical and conspiratorial. You can not play a game at lower FPS than you're used to. It's a pain in the arse. You're the one making up theories and twisting the definition of normal.

Diddums · 30 Dec 2017 at 15:18

mrochester said:
I criticise where it's warranted. I don't engage in fake outrage or conspiracy theories.

I absolutely agree that Apple could have done a better job communicating how these battery saving technologies work. They have now resolved that (and have sweetened it further by discounting the cost of a replacement battery service). And I absolutely agree that the approach Apple has taken is an elegant one and serves to prolong the life of people's devices.

And yet here my 5 year old phone is working perfectly fine, at full speed, with a battery I can replace for less than £10, I can use any headphones I want without needing any of the proprietary adapters, doesn't need special software to connect to anything, can play music or video from any source and cost half the price of an iphone.

You tell me who the idiot is.

mrochester · 30 Dec 2017 at 15:20

asim18 said:
The fact that it can get up to 50% slower is a demonstrable fact.

Your idea that 50% slower is "normal, just slower" "and you can still play that game, just slower" is purely theoretical and conspiratorial. You can not play a game at lower FPS than you're used to. It's a pain in the arse. You're the one making up theories and twisting the definition of normal.

It's all irrelevant really because a simple battery replacement will fix the issue. The only thing that's currently under question is Apple's intentions (did they do this deliberately to force people to upgrade, or did they do this to fix an issue with phones shutting down unexpectedly and thus extend the useful life of a phone).

The first sentence is a fact. The answer to the second sentence is currently unknown and we won't find the answer until the evidence has been looked at by those tasked with that. Until that point, Apple remains innocent until proven guilty of any wrong-doing.

Hades · 30 Dec 2017 at 15:21

mrochester said:
It's a storm in a teacup just like 'antenna gate' was. Most of the fake outrage and conspiracy appears to stem from people not understanding how batteries work. Hopefully they will all have learnt a lesson from this (much like I have).

It's really not a storm in a teacup. It's a slap in the face to their paying customers.

mrochester said:
How fast your phone operates has no bearing on whether it can make calls, send texts, browse the web, take photos or use apps.

It absolutely affects the speed that you browse the web and that some apps work. If speed was irrelevant then phone companies wouldn't be trying to make faster phones.

asim18 · 30 Dec 2017 at 15:22

Apple needs to get fully regulated as soon as possible. No more lies, no more customer manipulation, no more plastering fake buzzwords on decade old technology.

mrochester · 30 Dec 2017 at 15:23

always late said:
And yet here my 5 year old phone is working perfectly fine, at full speed, with a battery I can replace for less than £10, I can use any headphones I want without needing any of the proprietary adapters, doesn't need special software to connect to anything, can play music or video from any source and cost half the price of an iphone.

You tell me who the idiot is.

Likewise my 6 year old iPhone 4S. Your 5 year old phone will be far slower than even a throttled iPhone 6 or 6S though.

Diddums · 30 Dec 2017 at 15:26

mrochester said:
Likewise my 6 year old iPhone 4S. Your 5 year old phone will be far slower than even a throttled iPhone 6 or 6S though.

Sou you even admit to it and yet still can't see wrong. I give up, you carry on living in your little bubble of ignorance whilst those of us who don't drink the kool aid can see the bigger picture.

mrochester · 30 Dec 2017 at 15:27

always late said:
Sou you even admit to it and yet still can't see wrong. I give up, you carry on living in your little bubble of ignorance whilst those of us who don't drink the kool aid can see the bigger picture.

I'm sorry but your post doesn't make any sense.

mrochester · 30 Dec 2017 at 15:29

asim18 said:
Apple needs to get fully regulated as soon as possible. No more lies, no more customer manipulation, no more plastering fake buzzwords on decade old technology.

How or why would anyone want to regulate a private company? All Apple need to do is operate within the law and any local regulations, just like any other company.

The smartphone, tablet, laptop and desktop market is a competitive market and doesn't really warrant any regulation.

Diddums · 30 Dec 2017 at 15:32

mrochester said:
I'm sorry but your post doesn't make any sense.

Here, have a read and open your mind.

https://www.snopes.com/harvard-study-apple-iphones-sales-slows/

And please stop being so bloody naive, back in September Harvard University already busted Apple for their planned obsolescence.

Here's a quote which has been proven false by Snopes (you know, the famous fact checking site):

The processor slowdown is (according to Apple) intended to prevent unexpected power-related shutdowns and other problems in older iPhones that have batteries whose performance has degraded over time, not to boost sales of just-released newer iPhone models.

I understand your inability to understand that corporations are always up to filthy tricks to try and make you spend more money but you're only harming yourself and your finances by continuing to believe it.

And that's the last from me, if you don't want to believe it then good luck to you.

asim18 · 30 Dec 2017 at 15:33

mrochester said:
How or why would anyone want to regulate a private company? All Apple need to do is operate within the law and any local regulations, just like any other company.

The smartphone, table, laptop and desktop market is a competitive market and doesn't really warrant any regulation.

Because simply operating within the law doesn't automatically make you the pinnacle of honest business practice.

There's a lot more to morality than law. And I gave my reason: excessive manipulation. I really hate to see people being manipulated. I really hate how manipulated you appear to be.

Kenai · 30 Dec 2017 at 15:38

You've got to hand it to Apple, they've somehow very successfully got people arguing over whether it's a good or bad thing that their devices secretly slow down because the battery can't sustain the full performance of the phone and completely side stepped the idea that there might be a hint of 'upgrade encouragements' behind the slowdown plan.

ED209 · 30 Dec 2017 at 15:38

I have checked the battery on my iPhone 6 which is around 3 years old and it's 88% with a status of good.

Used battery life off the AppStore to check it and free

asim18 · 30 Dec 2017 at 15:39

Also the phone/tablet market does warrant regulation. Apps are getting up to 1000x more bloated just to sell newer devices and milk earth resources. Even SSD prices have gone up 30% for the past couple years just because Samsung is using all the NAND to put into disposable phones.

mrochester · 30 Dec 2017 at 15:40

always late said:
Here, have a read and open your mind.

https://www.snopes.com/harvard-study-apple-iphones-sales-slows/

And please stop being so bloody naive, back in September Harvard University already busted Apple for their planned obsolescence.

Here's a quote which has been proven false by Snopes (you know, the famous fact checking site):

I understand your inability to understand that corporations are always up to filthy tricks to try and make you spend more money but you're only harming yourself and your finances by continuing to believe it.

And that's the last from me, if you don't want to believe it then good luck to you.

The sub-headline of the article you've posted says:

Some iOS upgrades have slowed down the processor speed of some older iPhone models, but not for the conspiratorial purpose of driving new iPhone sales.

I will remain open minded about Apple's intentions until we find out the outcome of the current investigations into this issue.

asim18 · 30 Dec 2017 at 15:41

Kenai said:
You've got to hand it to Apple, they've somehow very successfully got people arguing over whether it's a good or bad thing that their devices secretly slow down because the battery can't sustain the full performance of the phone and completely side stepped the idea that there might be a hint of 'upgrade encouragements' behind the slowdown plan.

Yep. I have followed much of Steve jobs' manipulation over the years. He really is a professional.

mrochester · 30 Dec 2017 at 15:41

asim18 said:
Also the phone/tablet market does warrant regulation. Apps are getting up to 1000x more bloated just to sell newer devices and milk earth resources. Even SSD prices have gone up 30% for the past couple years just because Samsung is using all the NAND to put into disposable phones.

What sort of regulation do you propose?

asim18 · 30 Dec 2017 at 15:44

mrochester said:
What sort of regulation do you propose?

Get rid of all the current totally fake "green" initiatives.

Limit production of phones to one new model every 3 years.
Aim to have a minimum lifespan of 5 years.
Force app stores to disallow app bloating.

etc.

Diddums · 30 Dec 2017 at 15:45

Lol. A professor at Harvard pretty much confirmed this back in 2014 already. This is a very interesting read:

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4134160-apples-planned-obsolescence-strategy

mrochester · 30 Dec 2017 at 15:55

asim18 said:
Get rid of all the current totally fake "green" initiatives.

Limit production of phones to one new model every 3 years.
Aim to have a minimum lifespan of 5 years.
Force app stores to disallow app bloating.

etc.

I think some of what you've asked for will shake-out naturally as the market matures. I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with 'green' initiatives whilst people are looking to upgrade frequently (you might as well do as much as you can to recycle and reuse whilst consumption is high).

Apple are probably nearest to what you're looking for; 1 or 2 models a year at most and devices that last for ages. I see people in my office still using iPhone 4Ses, 5s, 5Cs and 5Ss!