- Joined
- 9 Apr 2012
- Posts
- 13,172
Sorry, I'm having a dumb moment, the election was this year. I can't quite believe we've only had six months of this madness.
This year
Sir Nick Clegg
- Thread starter robfosters
- Start date
Sorry, I'm having a dumb moment, the election was this year. I can't quite believe we've only had six months of this madness.
This year
Soldato
- Joined
- 16 Aug 2009
- Posts
- 8,220
Ah, political naivety at its finest. Bless.
- Joined
- 9 Apr 2012
- Posts
- 13,172
Not at all patronising - at least I want a better future and can see the current system is broken, rather than those who've seemingly accepted that what we have now is as good as it is going to get
If Corbyn gets into power the only direction we'd be going is in a ditch. The lower classes might get better in the short term but after a few short years the country will be broke and a basket case, with a begging bowl to the EU. The the lower classes would see cuts that they'd never seen under the Tories. But as per usual Labour will fluff the following election so that the Tories will get back in to clean up the mess and be the bad guys again to lefty idiots
Rinse and repeat. I'm sick of this cycle, Labour should never be allowed into power again
- Joined
- 9 Apr 2012
- Posts
- 13,172
This is total nonsense. How is Germany doing, what about the Netherlands, what about Norway, Switzerland. What are they, social democracies. What is Corbyn proposing, social democracy.
The Tories should never be allowed into power again, neoliberalism has destroyed this country.
The economic crash was caused by deregulation, started by Thatcher, continued by New Labour/Tory-lite. The crash was caused by neoliberalism. Neoliberalism has failed to clear up the mess.
Labour pay back more debt and borrow less than the Tories. Always have. So this Tory competence over the economy is, as most of their dogma, total ********.
Yes, he stood in front of the British public, held up his political career as a makeshift shield and spent fire years deflecting fire from the Tory party's austerity cannon.
Bit of a silly analogy but it works, the guy basically ended his own career to help people who would hate him for it. Probably one of the most deserving MPs to ever get a knighthood IMO, people can laud the nice things Corbyn says till the cows come home but Clegg has done more to help/protect the public than any other MP in living memory.
That happened in 2017, the 2017 list is for people nominated in 2016. The were numerous nominations for Grenfell/etc made a couple of months ago for the 2018 honours.
Services to the Conservative Party.
It's funny the same people who criticise Clegg for forming a government also criticise the conservatives for making an agreement with the dup when all the moderate parties refused to consider even discussing joining a government,
It's like they just can't do maths.
Could that be why so many of them are in debt? Oh and the country that simply cannot manage its finances.
Yet we've seen glimpses time and time again that what Corbyn wants goes far beyond the kind of social democracy seen in certain European countries - it is naive at best to ignore that.
Germany has access to markets we do not and I'm not sure I'd hold their economy up as an example - trying to follow them we could easily have gone the other way into a significant crash (I don't think people realise just how much austerity at that time buffered us from potentially going over the precipice but at the same time I think its insane we are still continuing with those policies today) and even now their economy is propped up by complex leveraging, tax scandals and dodgy dealings in southern European countries which might yet bring the whole house of cards down. (All of which allows them to run social policies we can't).
Norway has access to significant natural resources which has helped to build their economy up - without it most observers don't think their social system would work. Again we don't have access to that in the same kind of ratio to build the same kind of social system here.
And so on...
Last edited:
Corbyn is Moses though that will deliver them Utopia.
I think many are so desperate for change they'll take any other option - despite some fairly obvious problems with Labour. This is why IMO democracy isn't worth **** unless there is an actual option to vote that the current system isn't working - not just the "option" of spoiling the ballot.
It's like they have missed where 'anyone but Hilary' got the US. Mind you, there are massive similarities between corbyn supporters and trump supporters...
- Joined
- 9 Apr 2012
- Posts
- 13,172
What utopia are you talking about? Do the policies work in Europe, yes.
- Joined
- 9 Apr 2012
- Posts
- 13,172
Oh nonsense
Do I need to go find posts where you blame the media and claim fake news over reporting on what corbyn says and has done? Or where you support ridiculous promises and demonisation of groups?
- Joined
- 9 Apr 2012
- Posts
- 13,172
I never claimed fake news over anything. I am allowed to disagree about certain things, i.e. you apparently mind-reading what Corbyn is going to do, despite the fact it isn't written in the manifesto. Until he does it, there's no evidence whatsoever he is going to do anything at all negative.
Our current ****how knows nothing about the Internet - this is the most dangerous thing for somebody like me working in the technology industry - and knows nothing about how to solve the problems actually facing this country on a day to day basis. Austerity has failed. More children are in poverty. The NHS is in crisis. These are all facts.
**Fully star swearing**
Last edited by a moderator:
Very few people criticise Clegg for going into coalition. It's the terms he agreed to in order to get there and the things he supported afterwards that are the problem.
There is a lot more to it than social democracy though - even though I think this country needs a period of some form of that to rebalance things - Netherlands for instance has a relatively small population with good access to many areas of industry (its naturally well positioned as a transport hub with some foresight in getting in that game early which helps as well), natural gas reserves and agricultural policies that work with the size of the industries to the numbers of the population - makes running a social democracy and making it work far easier than for a country like the UK.
- Joined
- 9 Apr 2012
- Posts
- 13,172
Let's take tuition fees.
So he couldn't scrap them, he could have at least voted not to raise them! But no, he and his party voted for it!