Performance cars - future value?

[Nasher]

Virtually all modern performance cars do this to some extent now and in many it's not always obtrusive or unpleasant. Give it ten years and no one will notice or care.

Most use a pipe which is linked to a box on intake which pipes sound to the cabin. So technically it's not fake and the sound does represent what the engine is doing. So you can hear the revs etc.

I think only Renault had the fake sound through the speakers and it's comically bad.

Obviously there's quite a few cars using faked popping etc in the exhaust which is something else.

 

[Nasher]

Again your quoting your view as a statement.
My friend has a corvette and goes to meets (i've been to a few), most of the people there would define themselves as petrol heads, most don't get out oily rags.
Some are highly tuned, and the owners didn't do anything.

We don't know how EV will evolve so some tuning is far from impossible. Tesla for example can up the performance if they choose. Nothing to stop aftermarket tuning, it will just be different

Thing is Teslas already overheat pretty quickly when using the performance. So increasing it would make it even worse. To solve that problem on a ICE car you'd upgrade the cooling components. You can't really do that with an EV as most of the components are sealed away.

 

[VincentHanna]

Only when using ludicrous mode, Tesla's are pretty rapid even without it

A Model S 100D without 'Performance' can do 0-60 in 4.1 seconds and it weighs 2.1 tonnes

 

[Lashout_UK]

Most use a pipe which is linked to a box on intake which pipes sound to the cabin. So technically it's not fake and the sound does represent what the engine is doing. So you can hear the revs etc.

I think only Renault had the fake sound through the speakers and it's comically bad.

Obviously there's quite a few cars using faked popping etc in the exhaust which is something else.

Nope. BMW M5, M6, M135i, M2, M3, M4 (I think other 3/4 Series get it as well), Volkswagen Golf GTI (and S3/TT/R, Octavia, etc.), Mustang EcoBoost (certainly the previous generation), etc. – done electronically. It's quite prominent, these days.

 

[Psycho Sonny]

OP if you are worried about depreciation why not just buy a second hand car in the first place?

 

[Felon]

OP if you are worried about depreciation why not just buy a second hand car in the first place?

I'm not overly worried about depreciation in the traditional manner - I've owned new and old fast cars before a few years ago, and I know that they all depreciate, what I'm concerned about now - is the changing pace of technology, combined with heavy-handed government legislation and tax, that *might* mean these types of vehicles start to depreciate much more rapidly than before, but according to some - it might also mean they hold their value for longer.. it's interesting to read peoples opinions

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

Nope. BMW M5, M6, M135i, M2, M3, M4 (I think other 3/4 Series get it as well), Volkswagen Golf GTI (and S3/TT/R, Octavia, etc.), Mustang EcoBoost (certainly the previous generation), etc. – done electronically. It's quite prominent, these days.

The TT version from everything I have read is an electronic mechanical device. So its basically like a weight that is vibrated against the bulkhead electronically. Its possible to change this, eg turn it off with the ODBC tuning modules.

Think its the same as VW, golf R version is here

Skip to about 6 mins and he does the comparison on 100% and 0%

 

[tom_nieto]

Any new M or AMG variant of their saloon cars or regular coupes will depreciate rapidly. Despite the E46 holding its value well, it's still a bargain compared to the original list price and it's been elevated to cult status. If you're worried about depreciation buy a car at the bottom of the curve. If you want a new car you'll have to suck it up!

 

[crinkleshoes]

Over your ownership of the car if bought now (2-5) years, I doubt you would see any dramatic change in depreciation.

I'm planning to purchase or lease (depending on best deal) a C63S in Feb or March - around the end of numberplate (for pre-reg) and end of financial year are when the best deals tend to pop up. I'm still contemplating an M4 CP, but as I have a caterham... I think the 4.0TT V8 will put the bigger smile on my face.

 

[Lashout_UK]

The TT version from everything I have read is an electronic mechanical device. So its basically like a weight that is vibrated against the bulkhead electronically. Its possible to change this, eg turn it off with the ODBC tuning modules.

Think its the same as VW, golf R version is here

Skip to about 6 mins and he does the comparison on 100% and 0%

Yea, that's right - but it's not engine noise. It's just a speaker, effectively.

 

[the_r_sole]

Yea, that's right - but it's not engine noise. It's just a speaker, effectively.

If you can turn it off/down then it's not engine noise really! I have it in the octavia and I'm currently trying to get someone to disable it! It's fun for about the first five minutes with the wife in the car....

 

[Lashout_UK]

If you can turn it off/down then it's not engine noise really! I have it in the octavia and I'm currently trying to get someone to disable it! It's fun for about the first five minutes with the wife in the car....

Yup, which is what I said!

IIRC you can tune it out in the custom driving profile screen (if you've got that option), or simply unplug it and tidy the cable away – although I've not tried to get at one myself; it should be just under the windscreen. It might be fused but it probably shares a circuit with something else, otherwise you could just pull that fuse.

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

Yea, that's right - but it's not engine noise. It's just a speaker, effectively.

Yeah same principle as a speaker, just without the cone. With a speaker the cone generates the sound, but the magnet obviously provides the energy.
With this the magnet physically connects to the bulkhead when operating, so its a "direct" sound from vibrating the car as opposed to a projected sound into the car.
If that makes sense.

Very simple engineering.
We want quieter and quieter cars, but want to hear the exhaust/engine noise. Cant have both without cheating!

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?6907095-Soundaktor-Disassembly

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

Yup, which is what I said!

IIRC you can tune it out in the custom driving profile screen (if you've got that option), or simply unplug it and tidy the cable away – although I've not tried to get at one myself; it should be just under the windscreen. It might be fused but it probably shares a circuit with something else, otherwise you could just pull that fuse.

Ive only kept up on Audi but its not independently fused on all the models I have seen mentioned, so physical or an OBDC hack is required (like the vid I posted above)
No electrical removal as std on the TTs with the virtual cockpit

 

[the_r_sole]

Yup, which is what I said!

IIRC you can tune it out in the custom driving profile screen (if you've got that option), or simply unplug it and tidy the cable away – although I've not tried to get at one myself; it should be just under the windscreen. It might be fused but it probably shares a circuit with something else, otherwise you could just pull that fuse.

yeah I was agreeing with you! I've got it turned down on the individual mode, but it doesn't go completely off, I know you can unplug it, but got another of couple things I'd like to play about with in the computer anyway...

 

[Liquidfox]

Nope. BMW M5, M6, M135i, M2, M3, M4 (I think other 3/4 Series get it as well),

A lot of the LCI F30's get it, my 335d has it for example.

 

[MissChief]

If you're looking for something that's actually rising in value have you looked at the BMW 1M?

 

[Lashout_UK]

If you're looking for something that's actually rising in value have you looked at the BMW 1M?

I wouldn't recommend it; I found it a bit of a hodgepodge and not actually that gratifying/interesting. Don't think it's dating particularly well, either. Similarly, the M2 does leave me a little cold – but I can't argue against the fact that it does its job well and that there's little else like it.

 

[MissChief]

I wouldn't recommend it; I found it a bit of a hodgepodge and not actually that gratifying/interesting. Don't think it's dating particularly well, either. Similarly, the M2 does leave me a little cold – but I can't argue against the fact that it does its job well and that there's little else like it.

The 1M has been called the greatest modern M car and is almost universally lauded as amazing?

 

[Lashout_UK]

The 1M has been called the greatest modern M car and is almost universally lauded as amazing?

Yup. People raved about the 4C, too, but they were wrong.

NB My opinions of course. Well, not when it comes to the 4C. That was junk.