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xs2man said:
I suppose then so is anyone who doesn't just drive an ecobox. Since while the likes of an M5 doesn't have a DPF to delete, it also pollutes more "'for the gainz' or 'for the bhpsssss'".

I wouldn't personally delete a DPF, unless the DPF was actually needing replaced / fix, at which point I would consider it. As much for cost reasons as for the bhpsssss.
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The pollution from an M5 is completely different. It produces large amounts of C02 (which may have an effect at high altitude) whilst a diesel produces carcinogenic particulates which directly impact on the environment through which the vehicle is being driven.
 
xs2man said:
I suppose then so is anyone who doesn't just drive an ecobox. Since while the likes of an M5 doesn't have a DPF to delete, it also pollutes more "'for the gainz' or 'for the bhpsssss'".

I wouldn't personally delete a DPF, unless the DPF was actually needing replaced / fix, at which point I would consider it. As much for cost reasons as for the bhpsssss.
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The filter is there to catch tiny particles which cause issues for the elderly, the infirm, asthmatics etc.
Out of town, with your foot down, the heat from the exhaust gases burns them to nothing, in town/in a jam/slow-ass commutes/school-run, they accumulate in the filter.
By deleting the DPF, you're dumping them straight into the air around you, often in town or city areas.

An M5 by comparison is greenhouse gases and NOx, which while bad, isnt as bad in my unqualified opinion .

Yes, there is a bit of selfishness for anyone who doesnt drive an ecobox.
I love big fat engined cars, fast bikes etc. so I'm selfish too. I'm guilty of having owned a number of them and have one now.
I just think deleting a DPF from a diesel and driving anywhere people live is a lot more selfish.
 
xs2man said:
I suppose then so is anyone who doesn't just drive an ecobox. Since while the likes of an M5 doesn't have a DPF to delete, it also pollutes more "'for the gainz' or 'for the bhpsssss'".
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it's more the NOx emissions. A M5 is rated at 27mg NOx/km but a 1.6 TDI Golf is 57mg NOx. So, a 1.6 tdi golf is over twice as bad as the M5. But, that's with the DPF in place preventing other harmful particulates... So, remove the DPF and it's over twice the NOx plus a load of other rubbish coming out...
 
The point is, that all cars pollute, and the point was made in general, rather than specifically aimed at a particular pollutant. The M5 will knock out tonnes more CO2 for example. To say its selfish because you have a car that pollutes more extends to people who also drive cars that aren't just ecoboxes. It shouldn't really be classed by individual pollutants, but as an overall picture of all pollutants. That's what got us into this "huge amount of diesels on the road" mess in the first place. If you don't want to be so selfish, then perhaps some sort of small hybrid / ev is the way to go. Everything else has an element of selfishness to it, as do these forms of transport too really.

I get what your saying, to be fair. And I mostly agree. But there are still loads of cars on the road that do not have a DPF. Are the drivers of these cars more selfish because their car doesn't have one? Pretty sure my Alhambra doesn't have a DPF, does that make me more, or less selfish than someone who perhaps couldn't afford to repair the DPF on their car? Presumably both cars would be kicking out roughly the same amount of pollutants.

Anyway, back on topic. I do like the Passat, sorry, Phaeton. Did VW do these with the 4.2 TDI? I had a look at the W12's before, but as I plan on often drive the ~450 each way to Bristol, I didn't really fancy having to stop on the way to fill up (obviously 1 tank per way). I would imagine the 4.2TDI would make it in one tank though.
 
Armageus said:
No 4.2TDI, but they did a 5.0 V10 TDI:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201710140283120
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That does look nice. More power and better fuel economy from the diesel V8 4.2 in the A8 though.


crinkleshoes said:
I was thinking that would be fun... but when checking it seems to be quite similar in power and torque to the x35d/x40d from bmw, only with much worse fuel consumption.
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The problem here is the end of the market we are looking at, sub-£10k. So for BMW you are looking at a e90/e91 335d, which looks ok, but is a considerably smaller motor. Or the horrid looking 5 or 7 series of this age. I would MUCH rather have the A8 / Phaeton at this age. Even the S-Class at this age is hardly a looker.

Agree with what has been said earlier though, the 4.2 V8 Petrol isn't really worth considering in these. Either go W12 / 4.2 TDI, or 3.0 TDI if you want the more economical ride. The 42 petrol suffers from quite poor fuel economy when compared to the just as fast, 4.2 diesel. Although probably the same as the 5.0 V10 diesel.
 
xs2man said:
The point is, that all cars pollute, and the point was made in general, rather than specifically aimed at a particular pollutant. The M5 will knock out tonnes more CO2 for example. To say its selfish because you have a car that pollutes more extends to people who also drive cars that aren't just ecoboxes. It shouldn't really be classed by individual pollutants, but as an overall picture of all pollutants. That's what got us into this "huge amount of diesels on the road" mess in the first place. If you don't want to be so selfish, then perhaps some sort of small hybrid / ev is the way to go. Everything else has an element of selfishness to it, as do these forms of transport too really.

I get what your saying, to be fair. And I mostly agree. But there are still loads of cars on the road that do not have a DPF. Are the drivers of these cars more selfish because their car doesn't have one? Pretty sure my Alhambra doesn't have a DPF, does that make me more, or less selfish than someone who perhaps couldn't afford to repair the DPF on their car? Presumably both cars would be kicking out roughly the same amount of pollutants.
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yes, all cars pollute and have a negative environmental impact, even EVs as they require a lot of precious raw materials (e.g. lithium in the batteries) and oil-based materials/plastics, so they still have a considerable carbon footprint. Not to mention they still need the electricity to be produced by some process. Just, there's no denying that if various overheads are ignored, they would make city centers a lot cleaner place to breath and live in.

I think the selfish comment was related to anyone purposely removing their DPF, in the same way some people remove their cats in a petrol car. In both instances the owner is choosing to pollute the environment more and thus effectively choosing to harm others, just for their own individual benefit (thus selfish) - either gaining more bhp/performance out of the car, or benefiting their wallet not replacing the dfp/cat if it fails.
 
xs2man said:
The problem here is the end of the market we are looking at, sub-£10k. So for BMW you are looking at a e90/e91 335d, which looks ok, but is a considerably smaller motor. Or the horrid looking 5 or 7 series of this age. I would MUCH rather have the A8 / Phaeton at this age. Even the S-Class at this age is hardly a looker.

Agree with what has been said earlier though, the 4.2 V8 Petrol isn't really worth considering in these. Either go W12 / 4.2 TDI, or 3.0 TDI if you want the more economical ride. The 42 petrol suffers from quite poor fuel economy when compared to the just as fast, 4.2 diesel. Although probably the same as the 5.0 V10 diesel.
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Yeah, good point... I'm forgetting that a decent 640d is probably still £20k+
 
xs2man said:
The point is, that all cars pollute, and the point was made in general, rather than specifically aimed at a particular pollutant. The M5 will knock out tonnes more CO2 for example. To say its selfish because you have a car that pollutes more extends to people who also drive cars that aren't just ecoboxes. It shouldn't really be classed by individual pollutants, but as an overall picture of all pollutants. That's what got us into this "huge amount of diesels on the road" mess in the first place. If you don't want to be so selfish, then perhaps some sort of small hybrid / ev is the way to go. Everything else has an element of selfishness to it, as do these forms of transport too really.

I get what your saying, to be fair. And I mostly agree. But there are still loads of cars on the road that do not have a DPF. Are the drivers of these cars more selfish because their car doesn't have one? Pretty sure my Alhambra doesn't have a DPF, does that make me more, or less selfish than someone who perhaps couldn't afford to repair the DPF on their car? Presumably both cars would be kicking out roughly the same amount of pollutants.

Anyway, back on topic. I do like the Passat, sorry, Phaeton. Did VW do these with the 4.2 TDI? I had a look at the W12's before, but as I plan on often drive the ~450 each way to Bristol, I didn't really fancy having to stop on the way to fill up (obviously 1 tank per way). I would imagine the 4.2TDI would make it in one tank though.
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You can class the pollutants differently as the effects of CO2 is very different to that of both NOx and particulates. The latter two are both local and directly affect the environment, and people, that the car is being driven through. CO2 is a weak greenhouse gas and it potentially has effects at altitude, but the amount from cars is insignificant compared to industry and the other stronger greenhouse gases.
 
I did consider the V10, and drove one about 9 months ago - the torque was amazing, but unfortunately as I need to keep costs sensible it was ruled out.
Engine out to change the alternator / starter / turbo (of which there are 2, and they do fail) - just not something I could stomach.

I'm happy with the V6 TDI, by far the nicest diesel I've owned. Whisper quiet, and a little growl on acceleration.
I also like how the driver's seat is like the cockpit of a 747 at night... :D
 
mattyprice4004 said:
I did consider the V10, and drove one about 9 months ago - the torque was amazing, but unfortunately as I need to keep costs sensible it was ruled out.
Engine out to change the alternator / starter / turbo (of which there are 2, and they do fail) - just not something I could stomach.

I'm happy with the V6 TDI, by far the nicest diesel I've owned. Whisper quiet, and a little growl on acceleration.
I also like how the driver's seat is like the cockpit of a 747 at night... :D
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You should bring it to santa pod
 
Shivy011 said:
yeah but v10
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I remember seeing a Touareg V10 TDI with its engine out at a local VW dealer years ago. They were investigating an oil leak.

No thx V10!

V6 TDI is clearly the sensible choice. Saw a 1-owner facelift for sale for a decent price locally; was snapped up surprisingly quickly!
 
mjt said:
I remember seeing a Touareg V10 TDI with its engine out at a local VW dealer years ago. They were investigating an oil leak.

No thx V10!

V6 TDI is clearly the sensible choice. Saw a 1-owner facelift for sale for a decent price locally; was snapped up surprisingly quickly!
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Yeah but a v6 isn't a v10 is it
 
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