Has anyone elses salary been affected by the gender pay gap yet?

Caracus2k said:
I think I might have a slight inkling.... As per above maybe it's linked to how much content the respective editors actually have to edit and how important that content is to the BBC consumers....
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From hearing a more in-depth discussion on this earlier, it actually sounds like she wanted to leave anyway and has used this as leverage and a way to get back at the BBC for a number of other issues/complaints about structure and treatment.

She can't compare what she does to the other roles so is simply putting the knife in.
 
Scrutinize said:
From hearing a more in-depth discussion on this earlier, it actually sounds like she wanted to leave anyway and has used this as leverage and a way to get back at the BBC for a number of other issues/complaints about structure and treatment.

She can't compare what she does to the other roles so is simply putting the knife in.
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Where was that discussion taking place? I can't imagine many people being privy to that sort of insider info.
 
Scrutinize said:
From hearing a more in-depth discussion on this earlier, it actually sounds like she wanted to leave anyway and has used this as leverage and a way to get back at the BBC for a number of other issues/complaints about structure and treatment.

She can't compare what she does to the other roles so is simply putting the knife in.
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Assuming thats true colour me.... distinctly 'not surprised'... False claims of inequal treatment are hardly unheard of by people with an axe to grind....

Somewhat ironically, if this is the case here, it actually harms the long term prospects for workers from whatever perceived minority/disadvantaged is concerned....

Bosses have to wonder whether it a isn't just easier to hire a white cis male whole can't complain if he isn't as good as other workers in the company and /or is less important and hence get paid less
 
Nope, if I told my female co-workers what I was being paid it would probably cause problems , I know what most them are on and it's considerably less so I keep my mouth shut.
 
They don't seem to have mentioned Carrie has now become a presenter on radio 4 Today;
Sarah Monetgue is leaving(left?) Today because of the gender pay gap, and was (still is?) going to swap jobs with Marthe Karne.
Will Carrie's new salary be announced ?, so we can compare against John Humprhys', and judge whether they have been fairly overpayed based on contribution.

... equally in the interviews with Carries (Womens hour) she was not asked, and did not profer, a comparison of her Chinese role and its worth/difficulty, versus NorthAmerica/Middle East colleagues - she should haev addressed that.
 
jpaul said:
... equally in the interviews with Carries (Womens hour) she was not asked, and did not profer, a comparison of her Chinese role and its worth/difficulty, versus NorthAmerica/Middle East colleagues - she should haev addressed that.
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Of course she wasn't asked about it and didn't offer this information....

Almost all of the supposed 'gender gap' is based on (known) untruths...

I. E male doctors earn more then women in the UK..... Ergo must be gender discrimination right.....

So do male and female doctors, on average, carry out similar roles as doctors in the UK....?

Er no women predominate in paediatrics and are more likely to become GP's then men....

The men on the other hand are more likely to become surgeons or specialists....

Repeat ad nauseam for pretty much every other role this BS argument is deployed for and the claims of a circa 13% 'gender pay gap' for the 'same' work are shown for the fiction they are....

I would expect there to remain a rather smaller 'gap' between the aggregated pay of men and women who do actually work in favour of the men... Which i think could largely be attributed to the general tendency for women to bargain less for their salaries them men...

But this is not the fault or a problem to be solved by employers.... If competitive salary negotiation is to be allowed (and I think it should be) then the onus is on the employee or their agent to secure the best deal.
 
It would be interesting to see how much her predecessor was paid and if it was a male, was there a difference and if so how much was it? :) That would be a real comparison and a real pay gap it there was one.

As already stated here, China editor is more Championship Manager compared to the Premier League USA Editor.

Also with this sort of job, it's not just the job, but the skills you can bring to the Job. Both Jon Sopel & Jeremy Bowen have far more experience and pedigree from what I can see. Which is probably why they have got the better jobs.

This seem like just another sickeningly self entitled well-off person moaning about how hard done-by they are.

The easyjet gender pay gap story earlier in the week was particularly special.
 
weren't there some pay figures released recently form private sector companies with over a certain number of employees...

some women's fashion chain had a big gender gap... rather obviously because the low paid store staff are mostly women and the (minority of) male employees are mostly just employed in some head office roles

similarly re: some cycle shop it was skewed a bit in favour of women thanks to male shop staff and some women in the head office

does seem a little bit futile given the explanations for the differences
 
Caracus2k said:
Of course she wasn't asked about it and didn't offer this information....
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well Channel 4 News delivered the coup de grâce even if the BBC could not - did you see it ?
with a politically correct interview by the female presenter - Carrie defended her wage demand by saying she did speek Mandarin, and that counteracted the fact that her colleagues appeared more frequently on TV .. will she take them to court (there must be 3rd parties who would fiannce it ?)

Channel 4 also had the Oprah Winfrey candidature speech , which R4/bbc did not have rights to show, including her parallel between the impact of Sidney Poitiers Chais d'œuvre and the #metoo
 
This makes me so angry. There is no gender pay gap. For a start, we have laws to prevent that.

Comparing a male CEO to a female cleaner does not make for a fair comparison. I don't understand why the media persists with this myth.

You can't legislate to fix this problem, and you can't force companies to pay staff more to close this fictitious "gap."

To fix it, more needs to be done to encourage women to study STEM subjects, and the same for men to move into female dominated work sectors. It also needs to become socially acceptable for men to take full paternity leave/ part time jobs so that families have more options at a time in life when women do traditionally start to fall behind.

None of this will happen though; this will be misreported for decades to come.
 
Caracus2k said:
Of course she wasn't asked about it and didn't offer this information....

Almost all of the supposed 'gender gap' is based on (known) untruths...

I. E male doctors earn more then women in the UK..... Ergo must be gender discrimination right.....

So do male and female doctors, on average, carry out similar roles as doctors in the UK....?

Er no women predominate in paediatrics and are more likely to become GP's then men....

The men on the other hand are more likely to become surgeons or specialists....

Repeat ad nauseam for pretty much every other role this BS argument is deployed for and the claims of a circa 13% 'gender pay gap' for the 'same' work are shown for the fiction they are....

I would expect there to remain a rather smaller 'gap' between the aggregated pay of men and women who do actually work in favour of the men... Which i think could largely be attributed to the general tendency for women to bargain less for their salaries them men...

But this is not the fault or a problem to be solved by employers.... If competitive salary negotiation is to be allowed (and I think it should be) then the onus is on the employee or their agent to secure the best deal.
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Great post, the left wing media will keep pushing the rubbish though as it suits the modern narrative of men oppressing and being discriminating against everybody especially guilty are white males.
 
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Hellsmk2 said:
This makes me so angry. There is no gender pay gap. For a start, we have laws to prevent that.

Comparing a male CEO to a female cleaner does not make for a fair comparison. I don't understand why the media persists with this myth.

You can't legislate to fix this problem, and you can't force companies to pay staff more to close this fictitious "gap."

To fix it, more needs to be done to encourage women to study STEM subjects, and the same for men to move into female dominated work sectors. It also needs to become socially acceptable for men to take full paternity leave/ part time jobs so that families have more options at a time in life when women do traditionally start to fall behind.

None of this will happen though; this will be misreported for decades to come.
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I agree entirely.

This media storm is not about pay at all, it's about the distribution of genders across the seniority scale of a company.

Should men and women be paid the same if they have exactly the same experience/competency and are working exactly the same job? Absolutely. But that's not what all this data is about!

Sounds like you're company is being quite discriminatory in their pay rise offerings OP....
 
Jeez, no serious economist takes the "Gender Pay Gap" seriously. It is a myth perpetuated by feminists that do not seem to take into consideration the differences between the sexes. The research and the results in the media are misconstrued to make the a statement that women are being treated unfairly its just not true.
 
ZXSpectrum said:
Jeez, no serious economist takes the "Gender Pay Gap" seriously. It is a myth perpetuated by feminists that do not seem to take into consideration the differences between the sexes. The research and the results in the media are misconstrued to make the a statement that women are being treated unfairly its just not true.
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Exactly, try to find anyone in the British media that will say that though.
 
Lord-Jaffa said:
This.

There is no gender pay gap.
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People that perpetuate this myth cannot understand the difference between "Pay" and "Earnings"...

Take 2 people in the same role, the same company. One Man, One Woman... Pay them amount on an hourly basis the same and then see who EARNS more... It will be the man, why? Because women do not work as many hours as men, women have different social priorities etc etc... That's the "Earnings" gap and it is justified.
 
ZXSpectrum said:
People that perpetuate this myth cannot understand the difference between "Pay" and "Earnings"...

Take 2 people in the same role, the same company. One Man, One Woman... Pay them amount on an hourly basis the same and then see who EARNS more... It will be the man, why? Because women do not work as many hours as men, women have different social priorities etc etc... That's the "Earnings" gap and it is justified.
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If a Woman is as capable and works the same hours (and vice versa) then of course they should earn the same. I dont think any serious person could argue against that.

However as you pointed out, much fewer women have the same career goals as Men, nor work as many hours to get to those goals. Recruitment standards should not be lower for women or people of minoritys either.
 
Lord-Jaffa said:
If a Woman is as capable and works the same hours (and vice versa) then of course they should earn the same. I dont think any serious person could argue against that.

However as you pointed out, much fewer women have the same career goals as Men, nor work as many hours to get to those goals. Recruitment standards should not be lower for women or people of minoritys either.
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Exactly... If a job requires you to lift a 100kg bag of cement and one man, one woman apply for the job. If a man can lift the bag and the woman cant then who is the employer going to employ. If they both can lift the bag then other factors come in to play.

At the end of the day if companies were paying women less for the exact same job then why are companies not predominantly full of women?
 
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