Poll: Poll: Do you think the force is reasonable and justified?

Do you think the force used is reasonable and justifiable?

  • Yes

    Votes: 214 64.7%

  • No

    Votes: 94 28.4%

  • Unsure

    Votes: 23 6.9%
  • Total voters
    331
Angilion said:
I saw it. Unlike you, I didn't misrepresent it. A person attacked him. He hit them once. The person attacked him again. He hit him once again. Another person attacked him. He hit that person once. The first person attacked him a third time. He hit him once again. One punch each time someone else attacked him. The bouncer is not the attacker here.
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lol, not sure you can say that - he certainly didn't attack the bouncer immediately before the final punch. The bouncer hit him pre-emptively, sure, and we're discussing whether that was reasonable. But the bouncer was not attacked immediately before the final punch. Unless you count walking towards someone with your arms down as a bona fide attack? :p
 
Haggisman said:
Why would you need to have done it know what you're talking about? Just watch WWE, it shows how easy it is to restrain someone twice your size just by holding their arm behind their back :p
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I've never watched WWE, but on similar lines I have seen how easy it is for one person with a sword to defeat 10 people with swords who attack them on an open plain. I've seen that in a few films and TV shows. Silly me, I should have remembered that! :)

Ah no, wait. It still requires 2 people, including the most powerful person of them all - the director. So I guess that means divine intervention is required for it to work in the real world. That might be a little difficult to arrange.
 
Nitefly said:
lol, not sure you can say that - he certainly didn't attack the bouncer immediately before the final punch. The bouncer hit him pre-emptively, sure, and we're discussing whether that was reasonable. But the bouncer was not attacked immediately before the final punch. Unless you count walking towards someone with your arms down as a bona fide attack? :p
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It was certainly intent to attack. It is possible to raise your arms. It's also possible to take a weapon from your waist when you have your arms down. Context matters - he'd already attacked the bouncer at least twice and was advancing towards the bouncer again. It wasn't to say "Hi mate, fancy coming round on Saturday? We're having a barbecue."
 
Angilion said:
It was certainly intent to attack. It is possible to raise your arms. It's also possible to take a weapon from your waist when you have your arms down. Context matters - he'd already attacked the bouncer at least twice and was advancing towards the bouncer again. It wasn't to say "Hi mate, fancy coming round on Saturday? We're having a barbecue."
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Was it? Certainly? Worst fighter ever, approaching someone with your arms down with no guard :p

Anyway, I’m just being a bit pedantic only because you said something a bit misleading when accusing someone else of being misleading.... even though you were being less misleading than the person you were quoting!

Carry-on :p
 
My question is why is the bouncer outside, his realm is inside the bar that employs him. Once out in public property it is the police that should be looking after the area at closing time.
 
brendy said:
My question is why is the bouncer outside, his realm is inside the bar that employs him. Once out in public property it is the police that should be looking after the area at closing time.
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Pretty sure standing back and just watching your customers getting a kicking outside the door isn't really the done thing...
 
Haggisman said:
Pretty sure standing back and just watching your customers getting a kicking outside the door isn't really the done thing...
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That and preventing damage to the property is obviously easy to do from the inside when they're outside. Dead easy. With the power of their minds.
 
Angilion said:
It was certainly intent to attack. It is possible to raise your arms. It's also possible to take a weapon from your waist when you have your arms down. Context matters - he'd already attacked the bouncer at least twice and was advancing towards the bouncer again. It wasn't to say "Hi mate, fancy coming round on Saturday? We're having a barbecue."
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Defence barrister: "After being struck twice my client stood up, and, having sustained two punches to the head and crashing into the side of a car, was dazed and confused as to his surroundings. In an attempt to move to safety my client unwittingly approached the bouncer who proceeded to strike my client with enough force to render him unconscious".

Of course context matters - can you categorically state that the bouncer didn't land the first blow before the filming started?
 
I went with 'unsure'.

I was fully on the side of reasonable until right at the end. I aggressor was clearly the person that got punched. He was clearly yelling incredibly aggressively with threatening body language at the doorman before it got smacked in the face the final time.

If he was making threats to harm/kill then it was entirely reasonable.

If he was saying 'what have you done to my friend you hurt him badly' then it was unreasonable.

Until I have an account of what was said then I can't make a decision.
 
These threads do make me chuckle, I wish I'd had some of you lot around when I worked on the door to show me how to do all of these perfect desculations and 1 person restraints in the middle of a drunken crowd without getting my head kicked in.
 
tom_e said:
These threads do make me chuckle, I wish I'd had some of you lot around when I worked on the door to show me how to do all of these perfect desculations and 1 person restraints in the middle of a drunken crowd without getting my head kicked in.
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I find most people who think it is unreasonable simply never have been in any fights.

The problem occurs when people think this sort of thing is a "fight" in the first place, when essentially it is a fit by small children, "look at me i am a badass" is the typical overall goal of this sort of nonsense.

Bouncer knows this, he sees it every day, he tries to push the guy away but he wants to wrestle with him, bouncer pushes him and gives him a good punch to the face, the 2nd punch is much more restrained.
 
Looks reasonable to me. He didn't launch an attack, he threw a single punch in self defense each time somebody was trying to attack him.
 
First punch yes, the remainder were disproportionate for me. They look like they're jabs rather than punches, but the state of those people they would have fallen over if they were unbalanced by only holding one pint instead of two.
 
tom_e said:
These threads do make me chuckle, I wish I'd had some of you lot around when I worked on the door to show me how to do all of these perfect desculations and 1 person restraints in the middle of a drunken crowd without getting my head kicked in.
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What, you mean you weren't blessed with the poise and grace is a ballerina, the cool logic of a chess master and skill of a neurosurgeon? Well you were just out of line Mr!
 
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