Poll: Poll: Do you think the force is reasonable and justified?
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I was the gentleman in the video that appeared to take a beating, but what the video doesn't show / cuts off is me returning to my feet after the 4th knockdown. Everything you have been told is a lie and cleverly edited, i was the victim of this brutal bouncer. Let me tell you exactly what happened.
Me and about 2 mates were walking through town, was about 11.30pm, when my mate accidentally bumped into a few guys who were standing by the doorway of a club. My mate apologized straight away, but no these guys were not having it and one of them pushed him. After a bit of arguing back and forth the situation diffused a little, we thought, until this huge bloke appeared from the doorway (the bouncer) and knocked out cold my two mates. He turned to look at me and held his arms up side wards to hold back his mates, said something like there is one of you and one of me, one on one, no one else better jump in." I was terrified but i knew i had to stand my ground as if i'm going down, i'm going down fighting. This guy looked like a meat head, i assumed he was a boxer or some sort of cage fighter, didn't bode well for me. Most frighteningly i'm only a scrawny guy at 120lbs and this guy was 6ft 7" 300lbs, so there was nearly a 12st weight advantage to this beast of a man.
Anyway he approached and threw a right hook to my body and as i scrunched up in pain, threw a uppercut which lifted me off my feet. Down i went. He turned around to walk off assuming i was out, until he heard me clambering to my feet, dazed but up, holding my ribs. Heard him say you better stay down or get down, either way i stood my ground. He came back at me and down i went again, he stood over me and shouted stay down or i will kill you and started to walk off again. Again i wasn't out, and started to get up again but this time it was different. I felt something taking over me, like a heat a rage. Anyway he turned around and rushed me, hit me with a huge hook, square on the temple, i went down again with my head smashing against the back bumper of a car. He said now i know you aint getting up again and walked off much further this time. (this is where the video cuts out but what you didn't see), until one of his mates shouted to him "hes getting back up again" he turned around a looked at me and i could see fear in his eyes. The rage and warm feeling had completely taken over now and as he approached to hit me again, me still holding my head, time appeared to stop.
Seconds seemed like minutes, and within all the chaos i noticed a little brightly colored bird just sitting, chirping innocently on top of a lamppost. Whilst everything around me was in slow motion, this little bird was moving at normal speed and i stared at it for what seems like forever. I thought how beautiful life is, and looked at this big evil giant of a man rushing at my at me and i thought to myself, " i must protect that what is good in this world, " I looked at my friends and i thought to myself "i must protect my friends, those who i love need me" and at the end of that very thought, this beautiful small bird fell to the ground from the lamp post, right in-front of my feet, dead. This is were i completely lost control, the rage took over, the heat was extruding from my veins and i just screamed with the power and echo that shook all the windows around me.
I ducked his left and right and caught him with an over hand right. As i threw the punch i could feel my deceased father along my side, the power of the punch was amplified, like we both threw it together. It was an out of body experiance, he was right their besides me like a reflection in the mirror. I caught him coming in and knocked him to the ground. He unsteadily got up to his feet, but clearly damaged, and i managed to throw three consecutive round houses to knock him out cold. His mates were just about to rush in, but i grabbed a empty glass bottle and smashed it against the floor and placed it by this guys throat. I didn't have to say anything, they just stopped and backed off.
My two mates were still unconcious, so i had to pick them both up over my shoulders and carry them off. Got about two streets away and callapsed, next thing i know i awoke in hospital.
I was only to find out a few weeks later, that the guy i fought was an ex heavyweight professional cagefighting champion, the guy was 6Ft 7", 300lb with me being a lanky 120lb scrawny type guy, was an incredible feet in its self.
Me and about 2 mates were walking through town, was about 11.30pm, when my mate accidentally bumped into a few guys who were standing by the doorway of a club. My mate apologized straight away, but no these guys were not having it and one of them pushed him. After a bit of arguing back and forth the situation diffused a little, we thought, until this huge bloke appeared from the doorway (the bouncer) and knocked out cold my two mates. He turned to look at me and held his arms up side wards to hold back his mates, said something like there is one of you and one of me, one on one, no one else better jump in." I was terrified but i knew i had to stand my ground as if i'm going down, i'm going down fighting. This guy looked like a meat head, i assumed he was a boxer or some sort of cage fighter, didn't bode well for me. Most frighteningly i'm only a scrawny guy at 120lbs and this guy was 6ft 7" 300lbs, so there was nearly a 12st weight advantage to this beast of a man.
Anyway he approached and threw a right hook to my body and as i scrunched up in pain, threw a uppercut which lifted me off my feet. Down i went. He turned around to walk off assuming i was out, until he heard me clambering to my feet, dazed but up, holding my ribs. Heard him say you better stay down or get down, either way i stood my ground. He came back at me and down i went again, he stood over me and shouted stay down or i will kill you and started to walk off again. Again i wasn't out, and started to get up again but this time it was different. I felt something taking over me, like a heat a rage. Anyway he turned around and rushed me, hit me with a huge hook, square on the temple, i went down again with my head smashing against the back bumper of a car. He said now i know you aint getting up again and walked off much further this time. (this is where the video cuts out but what you didn't see), until one of his mates shouted to him "hes getting back up again" he turned around a looked at me and i could see fear in his eyes. The rage and warm feeling had completely taken over now and as he approached to hit me again, me still holding my head, time appeared to stop.
Seconds seemed like minutes, and within all the chaos i noticed a little brightly colored bird just sitting, chirping innocently on top of a lamppost. Whilst everything around me was in slow motion, this little bird was moving at normal speed and i stared at it for what seems like forever. I thought how beautiful life is, and looked at this big evil giant of a man rushing at my at me and i thought to myself, " i must protect that what is good in this world, " I looked at my friends and i thought to myself "i must protect my friends, those who i love need me" and at the end of that very thought, this beautiful small bird fell to the ground from the lamp post, right in-front of my feet, dead. This is were i completely lost control, the rage took over, the heat was extruding from my veins and i just screamed with the power and echo that shook all the windows around me.
I ducked his left and right and caught him with an over hand right. As i threw the punch i could feel my deceased father along my side, the power of the punch was amplified, like we both threw it together. It was an out of body experiance, he was right their besides me like a reflection in the mirror. I caught him coming in and knocked him to the ground. He unsteadily got up to his feet, but clearly damaged, and i managed to throw three consecutive round houses to knock him out cold. His mates were just about to rush in, but i grabbed a empty glass bottle and smashed it against the floor and placed it by this guys throat. I didn't have to say anything, they just stopped and backed off.
My two mates were still unconcious, so i had to pick them both up over my shoulders and carry them off. Got about two streets away and callapsed, next thing i know i awoke in hospital.
I was only to find out a few weeks later, that the guy i fought was an ex heavyweight professional cagefighting champion, the guy was 6Ft 7", 300lb with me being a lanky 120lb scrawny type guy, was an incredible feet in its self.
Or more succinctly, a fat bully. lol @ people think that was justifiable to strike someone about the head like that. Are the Bobbies not taught something along the lines of reasonable force in response to the level of the threat? That was a fat bully, knowing he is being filmed, toying with and queuing up the kid for a haymaker from the moment they started rolling.
Self defence imo. He is never really on 'the attack' for more than the one "get away" hit and from his viewpoint a crazy drunk guy and his pal keep coming back for more.
A court would ask the bouncer why he didn't just get away from the situation but it looks like he was trying to defend a co worker or someone else and well it's all a bit chaotic.
Bouncers round here would be following up with a beating , smashing the camera up and deleting CCTV
A court would ask the bouncer why he didn't just get away from the situation but it looks like he was trying to defend a co worker or someone else and well it's all a bit chaotic.
Bouncers round here would be following up with a beating , smashing the camera up and deleting CCTV
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Did you even watch the video ?
The bouncer is telling the 'kid' fighting to get away and the 'kid' is just giving him loads of abuse and getting in his space. Which he receives a bat for. And still doesn't learn. Actions come with conciquences .
Even IF it was excessive force the kid deserves it , drunk wanabee tough guys like him ruin nights out for loads of people every weekend. Don't get why people can't just have a drink and a laugh without being violent loudmouths
Summary
1)Guy gets drunk and starts giving it the large and attempts to front up to a bouncer
2)Drunk guy needed a slap
3)Drunk guy gets a slap
4)Drunk guy gets up and approaches the bouncer again
5)Bouncer thinks that perhaps the drunk guy is going to revert back to stage 1*
6)Drunk guys gets a slap
7)Drunk guy gets up and approaches the bouncer again
8)Bouncer thinks that perhaps the drunk guy is going to revert to back stage 1*
9)Drunk guy gets a slap and TKO
*why would someone who has just been knocked down so easily approach the guy that had just done it if it wasn't for any other reason that to retaliate?
There are a number of posters on here who seem to be under the assumption that any unruly behaviour of a drunk individual sits at the doorsteps of the pub/bar that served them alcohol. These assumptions are one of the reasons today's society is the way it is.......lack of accountability for the end result and its always someone else's fault.
1)Guy gets drunk and starts giving it the large and attempts to front up to a bouncer
2)Drunk guy needed a slap
3)Drunk guy gets a slap
4)Drunk guy gets up and approaches the bouncer again
5)Bouncer thinks that perhaps the drunk guy is going to revert back to stage 1*
6)Drunk guys gets a slap
7)Drunk guy gets up and approaches the bouncer again
8)Bouncer thinks that perhaps the drunk guy is going to revert to back stage 1*
9)Drunk guy gets a slap and TKO
*why would someone who has just been knocked down so easily approach the guy that had just done it if it wasn't for any other reason that to retaliate?
There are a number of posters on here who seem to be under the assumption that any unruly behaviour of a drunk individual sits at the doorsteps of the pub/bar that served them alcohol. These assumptions are one of the reasons today's society is the way it is.......lack of accountability for the end result and its always someone else's fault.
It’s a continuation of society today where no one takes responsibility for their own actions.
I’d say the bouncer went OTT, but I have absolutely zero sympathy for the idiots who got floored. That situation could have seriously escalated so they needed to intervene but the bouncer took it too far and could have easily had the crowd mob after him and made it worse.
You play with fire, you get burned.
This is a bouncer playing it where I’d expect the professional line should to be.
You play with fire, you get burned.
This is a bouncer playing it where I’d expect the professional line should to be.
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You need a hobby.
I'm certainly not absolving drunk people of their actions, I was just pointing out that it is a legal responsibility of any establishment selling alcohol to not serve someone who appears to be intoxicated.
He has: picking on poor defenceless professional cage fighters!
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Cool as a cucumber.
Why are drunk people being served more alcohol? Money.
Why are the door staff letting in more people than can be managed effectively? Money.
I'm a Personal Licence holder and when I used to go out every weekend through my 20s and 30s I would see people smashed out their faces on alcohol and still get served, yet I could count on one hand the amount of times I witnessed bar staff refuse to serve someone because they've had too much to drink and still have fingers left over.
Blaming drunk people for the failings of management and door staff to pre-empt this kind of situation is passing the buck.
In an ideal world the bouncer would have noticed the atrocious grammar being used and corrected the use of "a acid bath" for "an acid bath"!!
We know nothing from that video that tells us who attacked who first, or why. Everyone is assuming that the lad instigated the attack and until all the facts are known then I'll stick with judging the video on what I saw, not what can be fabricated to justify the bouncer's actions.
The lad didn't cut up the bouncer or throw acid at him, nor was there any threat from the lad's mates. The bouncer could have removed himself from this situation but he didn't.
Yes i agree some bars staff don't know when to stop serving people who are drunk, personally i have refused to serve hundreds of people back in the day and i would get abused and threatened by the customer for doing so. Some people just don't know when to quit drinking. So there should be some kind of person responsibility of your actions even when drunk.
Same as all video's like this the whole story is not known, for all we know the lad could have started a fight inside and was asked to leave then he took and his started with the door staff. Or it could have been personal attack from the door staff. No one knowns apart form those involved.
No. Blaming management/bar/door staff for idiots' inability to handle their drink and know when they've had enough is passing the buck. It's always someone else's fault
The guy was given several chances to walk away, and chose not to. With regards to restraining him, last thing you want to do when you're surrounded by potential attackers is get yourself down on the floor to hold someone down - that's just asking for a boot to the head.
100% agree.
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What about this then?
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...questioning-raise_us_5a54cdfae4b0efe47ebcf3b6
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...questioning-raise_us_5a54cdfae4b0efe47ebcf3b6
Justified. Bloke was swinging uppercuts at the bouncer at the beginning of the video. Got what he deserved.
Single punches to defuse an ongoing threat. Why else would he keep getting up and walking towards the bouncer? The kid had intent regardless of whether he could actually inflict any harm, especially after the 2nd punch.
Single punches to defuse an ongoing threat. Why else would he keep getting up and walking towards the bouncer? The kid had intent regardless of whether he could actually inflict any harm, especially after the 2nd punch.
Indeed. That's more what i would expect from a bouncer. Back and the door, called for backup/Police, stood his ground not falling for the intimidation and brawling in the middle of the road like a meathead.
Ah, yes and under precisely unsimilar circumstances.
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OP video justified. I will never understand why people these days think they can swing punches at a bouncer and expect nothing back.